Three not mentioned:1. Ryan Gomes2. Zaza Pachulia3. Quinton Ross, my favorite player nobody has heard of.
okay, im just saying. I dont think Graham is going to be a 15 and 5 guy, dont get me wrong. But I think hes going to be a nice piece to a good team someday coming off the bench with good defense and energy.
Most of the players that I think are going to be great hav aready been mentioned. Here's a few that haven't.1.Paul Milsap-Utah Jazz-This guy along with the other young players in Utah all have a very bright future. He's gonna end up being either a great 6th man off the bench backing up Boozer and Okur or he'll end up a starter on some other team. The guy can rebound with the best of them. One of the best 2nd round steals in years. If Boozer wasnt in front of him, he'd be a double-double machine right now. Right now he's averaging 7 and 5 in about 17 minutes of play each night. His teamates even call him "The Paper Boy" since "The Mailman" was already taken.2.Wayne Simien-I think this guy could be pretty good himself if he was given the minutes to play. He really hasnt played much even with the Shaq injury. He's a big body that can play down on the blocks. I just think if given a chance to play, he'd do something with it. 3.Shaun Livingston-I guess he's kind of a sure bet, but I still have to mention him. He's one of my favourite players out there and if Cassell wasnt there, he'd be playing a lot more. If he would of went to Duke like he had planned before deciding to jump into the draft, it would of helped him a lot. He has a ton of talent, but still raw around the edges. Still needs to develop a shot on the outside that he can depend on, but his vision of the court is so great. He sees things before they happen. Here are the ones that I agree with that have already been mentioned.Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Monta Ellis, and Sergio Rodriguez. I love the talent that they have up in Portland. That team can become really great if they learn to play together. So much talent with LaMarcus, Jack, Roy, Webster, and company.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wolverine30 @ Feb 24 2007, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok then these are my top 3:1. Francisco Garcia2. Johan Petro3. Ersan Ilyasova</div>I really like your pick of Johan Petro. For a big man, he can space out the floor pretty damn well. Everytime I watch him play, his mid range game really impresses me. He is a very long person, and has a pretty good offensive skill set as well. He really just needs to mature physically and on the defensive end, but I think he could be a pretty good player.I think Thabo Sefaolosha (sp) is going to be a player as well. He can get out in the open floor and finish very well. He is very quick and that is very apparent every time I watch him. He also is a pretty versatile player as well. I have been very impressed with him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Feb 24 2007, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Three not mentioned:1. Ryan Gomes2. Zaza Pachulia3. Quinton Ross, my favorite player nobody has heard of.</div>Thank you for mentioning Ryan Gomes! He's just so damn solid. He is very consistent, he has a wet 15-18 foot jumper, he rebounds, he works hard, he's strong, he can play 2 positions, he runs the floor, he carries himself like a veteran already, and he is very mature.I don't think Zaza will get much better than he is now, though. But Ross is a good defender, he'll be in the league for a long time.3 more unmentioned:1. Wayne Simien: I like this kid a lot, I really loved watching him at Kansas with Aaron Miles and J.R. Giddens. But Simien is going to be a very solid player in this league, he was a great pick late in the draft. He's very strong, athletic, long, he is a good rebounder, and he has a soft tough. He's a solid part of Miami's future.2. Ronnie Brewer: He's athletic, quick, can play 3 positions, a good defender, he works hard, and he brings a lot of energy. He's easily one of my favorite rookies this year, I am a big fan of Brewer.3. Orien Greene: Go ahead and laugh. He will never be a very good player, he'll never be a starter. But I think he could be a very decent backup in the future. He is big for the point guard position, he's doesn't play out of control, he's strong, he's a good defender, and he can rebound the ball well for a guard. I liked him in Boston. He will be decent in the future.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Feb 24 2007, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Thabo Sefaolosha (sp) is going to be a player as well. He can get out in the open floor and finish very well. He is very quick and that is very apparent every time I watch him. He also is a pretty versatile player as well. I have been very impressed with him.</div>I love Thabo! He impresses me every time I watch him as well. His defensive anticipation is off the charts for a rookie, I love it. He's long, athletic, quick, and as I said - the anticipation is nice. He can play both guard positions, and defend 3 positions, and he plays under control. I didn't know much about him going into the draft last year, but the Bulls got themselves a nice player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Memphis Fan @ Feb 24 2007, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>okay, im just saying. I dont think Graham is going to be a 15 and 5 guy, dont get me wrong. But I think hes going to be a nice piece to a good team someday coming off the bench with good defense and energy.</div>Then why the hell did you mention him as a breakout player?
^I have never seen Wayne Simien play a single minute for Miami. I think he could be good. But why doesn't he get playing time?
I dont know why so many people are mentioning Wayne Simien. When Shaq went down, he didnt play for a reason. He was a very good college player, but I dont think he fits in to the pro game as well as college. He has always been an injury prone player, and he just cant hack it in the pros....If he is going to be a good player, you would have seen at least some signs of playing time out of him this year when Shaq went down, but he didnt really play much at all. They felt more comfortable with Doleac....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Feb 24 2007, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Then why the hell did you mention him as a breakout player?</div>This thread isn't about future breakout players, it's about players that we think will become solid players. He even specifically mentioned in the opening post: "Not quite MIP type players" but players that could be solid.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Feb 24 2007, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont know why so many people are mentioning Wayne Simien. When Shaq went down, he didnt play for a reason. He was a very good college player, but I dont think he fits in to the pro game as well as college. He has always been an injury prone player, and he just cant hack it in the pros....If he is going to be a good player, you would have seen at least some signs of playing time out of him this year when Shaq went down, but he didnt really play much at all. They felt more comfortable with Doleac....</div>Simien has also been hurt.
YAHOO! I'm glad to see two Pacers mentioned in this thread: Ike Diogu and Orien Greene.I have one more Pacer that I think belongs in this category:Shawne Williams: The guy is a proven defender (2bpg in college), he can shoot, he can play multiple posistions (sg, sf, and pf) and seems to fit in with any roster combination on the floor. He doesn't get a lot of time yet because of his youth and the Pacers loaded frontcourt, but in the future he will be a very solid player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Feb 24 2007, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>YAHOO! I'm glad to see two Pacers mentioned in this thread: Ike Diogu and Orien Greene.I have one more Pacer that I think belongs in this category:Shawne Williams: The guy is a proven defender (2bpg in college), he can shoot, he can play multiple posistions (sg, sf, and pf) and seems to fit in with any roster combination on the floor. He doesn't get a lot of time yet because of his youth and the Pacers loaded frontcourt, but in the future he will be a very solid player.</div> He's not a proven defender. He's proven to be a pretty good shotblocker at the college level...as always you get defensive statistics and good defense confused.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 24 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's not a proven defender. He's proven to be a pretty good shotblocker at the college level...as always you get defensive statistics and good defense confused.</div>Dude, I know what I'm talking about in this case. I'm not stating that he's a good defender because of the numbers, I'm saying he's a good defender and has the numbers. There's a difference, and I know he can play defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Feb 25 2007, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, I know what I'm talking about in this case. I'm not stating that he's a good defender because of the numbers, I'm saying he's a good defender and has the numbers. There's a difference, and I know he can play defense.</div> You know he can player defense? He's only played in 20 games and in those games played during garbage time...something tells me if he was a good defender he would be playing once and a while.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 24 2007, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know he can player defense? He's only played in 20 games and in those games played during garbage time...something tells me if he was a good defender he would be playing once and a while.</div>He's not been getting garbage time. Heck, he's started. I watch every single Pacers game and I've seen him playing great defense. Plus I watched him when he was in college and he played great defense then too. Why doesn't he play much yet? Two reasons: He's a prospect - Larry Bird and Rick Carlilse want to develop him and they're not going to rush him. He's proven, but he's a prospect because the Pacers organization believes he can become a very good player someday and they want to develop him even more. He's only 21. He could be playing more now but they've chosen to take their time developing him, and it's probably for the better. AND The Pacers have a loaded frontcourt - While he definetley has a very bright future, he's not as good as Jermaine O'neal, Ike Diogu, Mike Dunleavy, Danny Granger, or Troy Murphy yet. But within the next several years he should be moving into the regular rotation and could likely be a starter/6th man type player in 3 or 4 years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Feb 25 2007, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's not been getting garbage time. Heck, he's started. I watch every single Pacers game and I've seen him playing great defense. Plus I watched him when he was in college and he played great defense then too. Why doesn't he play much yet? Two reasons: He's a prospect - Larry Bird and Rick Carlilse want to develop him and they're not going to rush him. He's proven, but he's a prospect because the Pacers organization believes he can become a very good player someday and they want to develop him even more. He's only 21. He could be playing more now but they've chosen to take their time developing him, and it's probably for the better. AND The Pacers have a loaded frontcourt - While he definetley has a very bright future, he's not as good as Jermaine O'neal, Ike Diogu, Mike Dunleavy, Danny Granger, or Troy Murphy yet. But within the next several years he should be moving into the regular rotation and could likely be a starter/6th man type player in 3 or 4 years.</div> Okay, sorry, he's started 2 games and averages 5 minutes a game....and for some reason the Pacers coaching staff is keeping this great defender stuck on the bench. Players like Williams generally in their rookie year don't know what the hell they are doing and they don't play their first year...I find it impossible to believe that this guy plays great defense and plays 4 minutes a game and doesn't even play in half the games. I understand he has potential, blah blah blah I follow the draft. I know all about Shawne Williams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 24 2007, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay, sorry, he's started 2 games and averages 5 minutes a game....and for some reason the Pacers coaching staff is keeping this great defender stuck on the bench. Players like Williams generally in their rookie year don't know what the hell they are doing and they don't play their first year...I find it impossible to believe that this guy plays great defense and plays 4 minutes a game and doesn't even play in half the games. I understand he has potential, blah blah blah I follow the draft. I know all about Shawne Williams.</div>I honestley have no idea what you're arguing with me about here. Half the time you seem to be arguing and have the time you seem to be agreeing. Do you agree that he belongs in this thread or not?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Feb 25 2007, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I honestley have no idea what you're arguing with me about here. Half the time you seem to be arguing and have the time you seem to be agreeing. Do you agree that he belongs in this thread or not?</div> You said he plays great defense. You gave the example that he had 2 BPG in college. I said college block numbers don't mean he's a good defender. You said he plays great defense for the Pacers. I said he hardly plays and when he does it's garbage time. I'm not arguing if he should be in this thread or not. You know the argument and you know your wrong so your changing the subject.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 24 2007, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You said he plays great defense. You gave the example that he had 2 BPG in college. I said college block numbers don't mean he's a good defender. You said he plays great defense for the Pacers. I said he hardly plays and when he does it's garbage time. I'm not arguing if he should be in this thread or not. You know the argument and you know your wrong so your changing the subject.</div>I'm not changing the subject. Just because he plays little means he's not a great defender? Puhleaze. If that's what you're saying it's absolutely ridiculous.
It isn't ridiculous. If Shawne Williams was a very good defender he would be getting playing time, to anyone that's pretty obvious. But he's obviously not ready to play right now and thats why he rarely leaves the bench.
I think Shawne Williams can one day be a third option. I really do, call me biased(Memphis connection) but people forget that he was a lotto prospect until he slowed down late in year. I saw a interview with Larry Bird(before draft) stating that theres one player he wants badly that wont make any noise in first couple years, but will be a very good player. And after the draft he said he got that player...Shawne Williams. Hes very verstile, can shoot and is a solid defender, needs to get faster tho. Hes not extremely athletic, but he can jump a bit. If Bird and the Pacers develop him enough, I think he can become a really good player...hes better than this thread IMO. But I have a strong passion for Memphis born players...so....but it wouldnt suprise me to see him get 16ppg one day.
