actually, if you're totaling contracts, Dame is at 258M. But if you're trying to normalize for the next 4 years while assuming that Ant is going to get a big salary in his next extension, it's Dame 195M --> 49M/year Ant 100M --> 25M year so Dame X1.96 salary however: Dame .175 winshares/48 Ant .043 winshares/48 so, Dame X 4.06 winshares/48 and: Dame 4.7 BPM average Ant -2.2 BPM average so Dame...wait, an X isn't computable. Simons would have to post a BPM around 11 this season just to get to a zero average. Last season, Giannis had a BPM of 11.2 and was 2nd in the league behind Jokic also: Dame 22.2 PER average Ant 12.3 PER average Dame X1.80 PER. Ant's best PER was 15.3 last season; Dame's worst was 16.4 as a rookie. He had 7 straight seasons over 20.5 and four of those season were over 24 ****************************************************** so yeah, Dame makes a lot more money. But then, excellence and experience have great value (not just in basketball by the way). We know that Dame can drag mediocre teams into the playoffs. Simons can't, at least not anytime in the near future. We also know what Dame has meant to the franchise and he's getting paid for that, in part. There are more numbers to consider than just the raw salary totals and averages; and numbers aren't the only consideration
Perfect post. Ant is not anywhere near Dame's stratosphere. We'll be lucky if Ant can even match CJ's impact. Ant has provided glimpses, but right now he is a LONG way from being a net positive starter.
what is the point of using winshares to evaluate Ant when we were outwardly tanking in the games he was featured?
Except you're leaving out the Dame is proven and significantly better. There is a scenario where Ant is just a role player in this league, making near all-star money. Building around role players is how you miss the playoffs for 5-7 years.
Simons is the 57th highest paid player in the league this season. What is your definition of "near all-star money?"
He played 1449 minutes in his 2nd season, and 1681 last season. 21 min average vs 29 min average. Last year's tank was around 1000 minutes for Ant; but he's played 4400 minutes. Portland was 'actively' tanking for about 30 games when Ant played last season, but he's played in 211 games. Meaning, at the most, Portland was tanking in about 15% of the games Ant has played in. The context may be a bit skewed, but isn't as skewed as you imply besides that, however much you may like or dismiss PER, it is a standardized per/minute metric based upon a formula that doesn't factor wins/losses. The league average is 15.0. Ant was 15.3. Ant had that 15.3 in his best season. Dame had an 18.5 last year in his worst season anyway, if somebody is going to post a context-free salary comparison; I think it's fair to post a possibly-context-challenged winshare/48 comparison
yeah, I think Simons was overpaid in that contract, but it wasn't so much of an overpay that he can't easily grow into the deal, and do so rather quickly. Also, players that show any promise tend to get overpaid in their rookie extensions
That's a great question. I was probably a bit too loose with that term. Here is a look at what all-stars made last year. To your point, there are 50ish players who make more than Ant. A quick screening shows a majority of them (45ish) are/or have been all-stars.
That surprised me too. I wonder what took him so long and who was managing things before today.. Maybe that's why he wasn't playing for a college last year, he was focusing on the agent side of things haha
he had a mentor/coach who effectively behaved as his agent. Dwayne Washington. He just didn't have anyone certified or in an official capacity. It's part of the reason his predraft process was so wonky and his interviews sucked. Never got training like other prospects did.
With Dame you are paying for the right now and the past. With Simons, you are hopefully paying for right now and the future.
And there are some in here that dont think he will get much in the way of minutes and DNP's because he wont be ready to contribute.
