What would it take to get Lowry?

The only guys currently on our team that I can conceivably see coming off our bench in two years are CJ and Robinson. And Leonard if we're hard-headed enough. I also see a very slight possibility for Robinson to be starting for us in two years.
Actually, I'd add Joel to the list as a possibility.

 

I'd throw Crabbe in there, so CJ, Robinson, and Crabbe.
What I really meant was coming off the bench and us not looking to replace them.

 

I was very pleased when we got him. I'm less pleased with what he's brought to the team. I guess I thought as a 'vet' he'd be more under control, know how to run an offense, look for his teammates more, and you know, play smarter. Maybe he can do these things? If so, I'd like him to start now, please.

 

I just think it's funny, because I remember HCP making a comment in the offseason, maybe, about how similar Mo is to Jamal, and people mocked him for it, and also remember how excited people were to land Jamal. It's as if nobody has watched Mo play before he got here, save for maybe twice a year when he'd light us up seemingly.

 

Is it too late to swap Mo for Dre?

 

Yep. HCP with the madd hoops knowledge.

I hated Crawchuck. Still do. I don't hate Mochuck, but I am disappointed. Probably my own fault, as you say.

I'd trade Mo for Lowry.

 

I don't think "mo playing better" will change anything. He's not a point guard. He doesn't run the offense well, he dribbles way too much, and turns the ball over at an extremely high rate. It's like I'm having flashbacks of Damon Stoudamire.

 

Mo is doing fine. I definitely disagree with people that are arguing otherwise. He's a chucker, but we need a chucker coming off the bench.

 

Doing fine based on what? He isn't dead?

He's shooting 41% from the field. That's horrible.

He's averaging over 2 turnovers per game in 25 minutes played. Just to give you a comparison, Lowry is averaging about the same amount of turnovers.... in 36 minutes per game.

He has a PER of 10.5

His ORtg is 96. Lowry's is 115.

He dribbles too much. I have no idea how you measure that, but god he dribbles a lot. He routinely dribbles until there's only 5-6 seconds left in the clock.

The guy has been a huge disappointment.

 

He's not shooting particularly well (as evidenced by his eFG%). He doesn't draw fouls, his A/T ratio is pretty anemic, his PER is a sub standard 10.5 and he doesn't appear to make his teammates appreciably better. But as you say, "he's fine."

 

He is in good health, so in that regard, he's fine.

 

On the flip-side, he also shoots really early in the shot clock without even looking for a pass, or attempting to set up a play, and when there's 3 defenders waiting in the paint for the rebound.
But let's just remind ourselves of what it was like last year. Nolan Smith. There - now it feels pretty good to have Mo, huh?

 

So much mo williams hate.

Look at who hes playing with on a consistant basis.
grabbing players that start the 2nd quarter.
Mo - guard
lillard - guard
wright - forward.
robinson - forward
freeland - forward/center

So defenses are going to key on lillard. all 5 guys will know where he is, especially when he has the ball.
Then you have wright. You take away his 3, and hes basically done. live with whatever else happens.
you cant rely on t-rob to give him the ball in a 1 on 1 situation. He'll go to that spin move and travel, draw an offensive foul.... Also t-rob doesn't set great screens. So pick & roll is sketchy.
Freeland is someone who plays off of other bigs. Doesn't set great screens. So pick & roll is sketchy.
so basically...
You have lillard and mo.
Until the 2nd unit bigs learn to set great screens to get people open. It wouldn't matter if you had nash/stockton/insert name here.
Not many assists to go around for people who cannot create their own shots.
back to defenses keying on lillard.

Edit - stop watching one player and watch the offense run. because then you'd see these things

(now him dribbling it up 1 on 5 i dislike)

 

http://www.82games.com/1314/1314POR2.HTM

That line-up is 12 total minutes out of our entire 614 total possible minutes (1.95%). So, no, that doesn't apply to your theory. We usually have two starters in the game at all times.

 

You can't have that thinking though. The team has a legitimately good starting five. We have the best record in the west right now. If a deal can be made that would solidify us as a contender, you have to do it. You can't stick with Mo because he's better than Nolan Smith. You could stick an empty chair out on the court and it would be better than Nolan Smith.

 

matthews cant get his own shot becides the stepback. works better playing off the ball. like he did in utah. like he does in portland.
Batum still canot consistantly get his own shot. gives the ball to bigs on Pick & Roll at their knees or takes a fadeaway from 5ft.
Do i need to continue to scout the whole team? i don't think so.

Edit - or can you see that setting picks for shooters is what gets people open. with t-rob and freeland. that's sketchy.

 

And…. When we had Nolan Smith, there was never talk with us making the playoffs. We are in a different model now.

 

614 possible minutes is a bit off.

I'd like to see Williams rotated in differently. I'd love to see him out there more with Matthews and Batum, Matthews as a good shooter and kick option, and Batum as secondary ball handler. That being said, we're 22 games in. Would I trade him? Sure. I'd move anyone on the team for the sake of improvement. But I don't see him as the big issue of our bench.

 

So what's your point? That Mo can get his own shot?

 

Um why do I get this response. I called out your "Mo has to play with Wright, Lillard, T. Rob and Freeland" as being the reason why he has to hog the ball and shoot poorly. That isn't the case, since that line-up plays 1.95% of total minutes