What's a good gun for concealed carry?

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Or some of my favorite anime: Girls und Panzer:



Hi, btw. Not sure what happened with my account. Seems to work fine now, but it hasn't been working fine. I've updated a few things though, so maybe that was part of the problem.

 

lol thanks. I had a major crash after I updated my system last week, and ran a 2 hour 40 minute virus scan afterwards which didn't catch anything (AvastPro). I also updated Firefox. But when I updated Firefox and restarted everything (before the system crash), it still wasn't working, even with a system restart.

But it seems to be working fine right now. Not sure what was going on. Must have coughed up some phlegm after that system update.

Thanks for checking everything up though! This is one of my favorite forums; I was totally freaking out.

 

A welcome from here too! Fair warning for ya.... If you get one of these from HCP.....

Just ignore him.....

 

Why not just pack some pepper spray gel? You can incapacitate someone and walk away, without the legal mess. If you shoot someone out in public, there's a risk that you could be arrested, put on trial and forced to prove self defense. You will also hesitate more to use a gun, which could make all the difference in the world.

 

Statistically, you are thousands of times more likely to be killed by another black man than by the.....oops sorry, wrong thread.

 

Not me. My conscious is very clear about my use of a firearm in self defense, and I am confident in my training, abilities, common sense, and observational skills.

But I do carry a less-lethal option with me: Fox Labs 5.3. That's some nasty shit. I need a new can though; mine's expired.

 

Say for example, that you're on the street at night and some weird person comes up to you yelling nonsense. You have no idea who they are, if they have a mental disorder or are high on something. And you don't really know what their intentions are, whether or not they are armed. Do you whip out your gun and blow them away?
You have to wait until a threat level is clear before using lethal force and you're not always going to get that warning before an attack. Let's say that person was just an unarmed schitzo, blowing him away in the street could likely land you in prison.

 

Firstly, let me say that I realized, long ago, that trying to exhaust every single situation that you could potentially land in will drive you mad. I, therefore, don't lose sleep over "what if" scenarios. Sorry.

Secondly, if a crazy person gets that close to you, then you've most likely fucked up. Use your observational skills and avoid a confrontation. If something doesn't look right, go the opposite direction. When you have a gun, if you are not Armed Security or Law Enforcement, then you should be avoiding situations unless it is CLEAR that your presence is required (example: you observe an armed threat attacking someone, or see a woman get raped behind a dumpster, etc etc).

And remember: not everyone who's hyped on drugs is unarmed. You'd be surprised what a person hyped on drugs can do without a weapon. And anyone who doubts this is either out of touch with reality, or has never spoken to a police officer in a high-crime area who deals with drug users regularly. And, unfortunately, this also applies to the mentally ill. It is ludicrous to think that I should have to treat Joe Crazy any differently because he's mentally ill. They too are perfectly capable of killing people, and they have many times before.

What am I supposed to do if a mentally ill person attacks me? "Oh, well, he's bat shit crazy....can't draw my gun, he's mentally ill"? I don't think so.

It's true that, sometimes, you can't avoid a situation. So let's say, for example, I'm passing an alley way, and some drugged-up loser comes out of there demanding change or something. I decline, and he attacks. If he doesn't have a weapon that I can see, then I'll beat the ever living fuck out of him physically, and look for an escape route.

But if he produces a weapon, all bets are off. My goal then is to get away and get distance, firstly. Secondly, if he continues after me, draw my gun and give him clear instructions. If he doesn't obey those, he gets shot.

It is important to recognize the "Use Of Force Continuum" when dealing with such a situation. Which is why the law says that you can bring deadly force into a conflict where the other party is not immediately armed (note that "Armed" is not the same as being a "Threat"; you can be a threat and not be armed). For me, the only way this would occur is a couple of instances:

-I am outnumbered (for me, that's 2 or more people)
-I am out-sized by the opponent (for me, that's anyone 6 feet or taller with a muscular build. I'm 5-6 and 230 pounds of out-of-shape fat. I'm confident that I can defend myself in a quick fight, but nothing drawn out)
-I am losing a fight (for me, that's being concussed, worn out, battered pretty good, or being subdued by an opponent)

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. And that also DOES NOT mean that just because, in those situations, you draw your firearm, that means you have to shoot a person. Anyone who thinks that is a fucking moron. In fact, I think the media plays on people's ignorance with that particular subject of self-defense with a firearm. If you are able to draw your gun and issue commands without firing shots (which constitutes "bringing deadly force into a conflict"), then that is a win. Even better if you can get away without anyone getting hurt.

So bottom line if you are going to carry: 1) don't worry about "what if" scenarios. You'll drive yourself mad. 2) ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings. God gave you eyes for a reason. Put your fucking IPhone away and pay attention. 3) Be dilligent with your training and practice. Even if that means going to the range each weekend to practice your marksmanship. 4) Study self-defense laws for your area and State. Talk to people who carry, but listen to the experts. Study experts on Self Defense, such as Massad Ayoob and Clint Smith.

 

This may help...

161.219 Limitations on use of deadly physical force in defense of a person. Notwithstanding the provisions of ORS 161.209, a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:
(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or

(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or

(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]

 

Pretty much exactly what I said, thank you.

Here's another resource (generally regarding physical force) if anyone is interested:

http://www.oregonfirearms.org/use-of-force-rules