Rumor What's going on in Portland?

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  1. calvin natt

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    Yep. This is my take as well. It's not that expensive to build walls. Or even stack shipping containers. It's really not that expensive to run plumming.

    People are making this more complicated than it needs to be.
     
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    The entire eastern side of this state is wide open
     
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    Maybe the 'rona will...
     
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    That's a good point, but the way I read it, the court says the shelters have to be local.

    So I don't think Portland can ship homeless people out of their jurisdiction. At least unless or until another court takes up the case. I'm not really sure how that works. Would it have to be the Supreme Court?
     
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    Of course but for housing and help you gotta go the extra mile...if you want to be an addict you won't follow any programs including housing programs more than likely...it's hard to get two people to agree about anything let alone a homeless community but you don't want housing to become crack housing so that would be incentive to get clean or at least try..perks come to those who make the effort and there are plenty of those folks
     
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    They don't want housing in exchange for going the extra mile or they'd already have it.

    I get what you're saying but that will leave us exactly where we are now.
     
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    Build housing for them and they will come. They'll come in droves from all over the country. This needs to be a national program or it just won't work.
     
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    Agreed. However, both Washington and California are starting their own Housing First programs, so at least we wouldn't be alone...

    And we'll still need to solve the problem of why people are becoming homeless to begin with.

    You're right, it's a national problem. One we could solve for a couple dollars per month per US household.
     
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    Defund the military industrial complex. There’s enough money there to house bums, pay for school and provide single payer healthcare. It costs us taxpayers a lot of money to fund constant illegal wars we have no say in starting.
     
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    It's not just the wars. It's also the absurdly expensive hardware that doesn't even get used in the wars.

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    That’s actually the main thing. Hundreds of billions of dollars are given to defense contractors to pay gouged prices for equipment to use in questionable conflicts. The politicians and generals who egged the conflicts on and signed the spending bills usually sit on the boards of these companies after they retire, and reap the benefits.

    This type of money laundering and blatant conflict of interest is only illegal when poor people do it though.
     
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    The same thing is done with State procurement of equipment and supplies.
     
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    Yep, I'm all for it. $10 billion per year would fully fund homes for every homeless person in the country and not even put a dent in military spending...
     
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    The only way to stop this is via voting in candidates who see the problem and want to fix it.

    But history has shown that voters rarely vote for candidates who are said to be 'weak on defense'.

    So unless/until voters wise up and actually want politicians to spend less on defense, and vote with that in mind, the beatings will continue.

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    We are never given that opportunity. The DNC and RNC pick who we get to vote for. And they don't let us vote for people who would do this.
     
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    I don't entirely buy that. There are primary contests, the party honchos don't actually pick the nominees in smoke-filled rooms anymore.

    The truth is, cut-the-military has not been a successful campaign plank in most of the country. There are too many voters who vigorously disagree with the idea. Even "I'll increase military spending, just maybe a little less than the other guy" is often a losing position.

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    I built such hardware and it got used plenty. I like to think it saved American lives.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Who are these Chuds?
     
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