Rumor What's going on in Portland?

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    Absolutely. That's what she's been asking for. Great post.
     
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    There is no evidence that forced treatment works. Quite the opposite actually.

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/people-with-drug-addictions-forced-into-rehab

    Punishing people doesn't work either. As the war on drugs has proven.
     
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    yours is better. Im still learning. Lol.
     
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    Yep. It's almost like we should house the homeless or something... It's far more expensive not to do so...

    How Finland is eradicating homelessness

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/the...finland-is-eradicating-homelessness-1.5437402
     
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    This addresses the problem as though it's strictly an issue of housing.

    The articles linked above show that meth is a much larger issue that no amount of housing will fix.
     
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    I don't know which comes first meth or homelessness, I imagine there are cases both ways.
    The ones that are homelessness first, then meth, might be helped by housing.

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    The massive homeless crises that has boomed in the past 10 or so years directly follows the timeline of the new type of meth that causes mental illness.

    Portland was never this bad until recently.
     
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    What it shows is that the first step to addressing the meth issue is housing.

    You can't treat the meth issue by force.
     
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    If you go to the homeless camps you can totally see who is on meth and who is not. There are homeless that are very tidy and neat. Usually, they are off by themselves. Then there are the homeless camps that are pure chaos. Full of shit stolen from neighboring houses, yards, and businesses. Cars being junked and dismantled.

    I would help the ones who don't look and act like fucking junkies first.
     
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    Good point. And that is definitely the way housing first works.

    But as I understand it, you can't help homeless junkies. It's impossible to treat the addiction without a safe, secure place, which is stable long term. And they have to choose it.

    Once you check all of those boxes you find that treating addiction can be successful. Not always, but it's possible. It's not possible when they're sleeping under a bridge or in a tent.
     
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    So what you're saying is we need to design a junky-meter and if they're over, let's say 20% junky, they don't get housing assistance?
     
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    I know from 6-7 years ago we had a family friend that had a severe addiction. They were finally arrested and were able to sober up in jail. But as their release date was approaching they wanted to go to treatment but there was no treatment available. All they could do was get on a waitlist. And as soon as they were released from jail they started using again and then didn't want treatment.

    There has to be more treatment. Jail has to be used not only for punishment but also as a tool for getting people sober and off drugs, then directly into treatment. Then while in treatment we can transition them into housing.
     
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    Sure, something like that.

    We have limited resources. We have to find ways to maximize those resources and get the best results.
     
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    That would work. Though it's far more expensive than just getting them in a home and treating them... But if that's what it takes, that's what it takes.
     
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    Seems clear to me that both housing and treatment are necessary for junkies.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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