You guys don't realy seem to know what your talking about. Iverson, at one time, was the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the league. The MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. How can you guys give this guy so much crap and call him a bad player if at one time he was one of the most dominant players in the league. Obviously, hes not anymore, but at one point he had some serious game, and many of you apprantly hadnt even seen AI play i his prime. Im serious. I think a lot of you didnt even see Iverson in his prime. Iverson has been known to taker a lot of shots, but whats he gon do? Hes on the sixers, who else is good? Snow? I mean whats this guy gon do, he does what he can with that team. Of course hes had help from Mutumbo etc. but every great players had help, people. You guys are putting way to much negativity on him and not looking at his bright side, which is very bright. I mean, ypu guys arte some crappy fans, I can see these same people years from now with a post, "Whats so good about Kobe?" Give me a break people, there are a lot of BAD players out their right now getting too much credit. AI gets the credit he deserves, go find a player who really deserves to be dissed and post about him.
dude, the reason he has so many TOs, cause the ball is always in his hands.You can't say he's a bad player just cause of that. So now your gonna say Paul Pierce is terrible cause he led teh league in TOs?! THE TRUTH HAD NOONE... A.I a ballhog? Can I get a 6 apg, woot woot. Even if you think he's a ball hog at least he finds the right times to pass it to the teammates in order to get 6 dimes a game.
I don't care that he gets 6 assists. It's the fact that he jacks up a lot of shots and misses over 60% of them. He may find the right time for an assist, but, he should find the right time to shoot it. There are times where I wonder if he knows he has teammates. He shoots far too often. That's my big thing against him. Maybe if he made oh, 43% or so of his shots, I wouldn't too much of a deal about it. But, when he makes 38% of them, that's bad. And I also realize he was the league MVP. I also realize that was in the strike shortened season where his team might have very well fallen off had it been a full 82 games instead of just 50. So, here's my thing. If he shot better, I'd have a little less against him. Or, he shot the same but passed more and took less shots, I would have less against him. But, he shoots too much and doesn't pass enough. That's why I don't like him that much and don't think he's as good as his ppg and what not say he is. Also, another thing, he doesn't like listening to coaches. He never listened to Randy Aires and it took him til pretty much the last year of Browns contract before he listened to him. He has no respect for the coaches. That's another thing I've forgot to mention before that I despise about him.
It's not your business if he listens to his coach, so why are you concerned about that. Maybe we shoud go off on all the bad stuff about Kobe, and believe me , theres PLENTY. Thats all everyones doing here, looking at negatives. And really, the only good point anyones come up with here is that he takes a lot of shots, thats it. Thats the only thing thats true, and as a matter of fact, he well makes up for it. Am I wrong there. 6 assists is a great apg average, many people dont average one, so calling him selfish and a ballhog, is just stupid. No MVP is a bad player, thats never happened, and it never will. Really, give us some good reason that AI isnt a good player, like somehow he didnt deserve the MVP award, ill be interested in that, then we can talk. Untill then, no ones come up witha decent, and fair, reason that AI is a bad player.
The argument is the same over and over again, he shoots too much, has a bad attitude, doesn't pass, doesn't listen. That's pretty much what everyone is saying in a nutshell, just putting it in different wording. How bout we all go home happy saying he's a great player. No, he doesn't listen to coaches and sometimes mouths off, but what's that got to do about his playing ability, and why should we judge him solely because of that. IT'S HOW HE IS PEOPLE, JUST SUCK IT UP AND DEAL WITH IT, A.I IS WHO HE IS. If he doens't wanna listen, then let him not listen, he plays fine anyways. Your complaining about his FG%? Lebron's is crap, his 3pt is waht like 28%. Does that make him bad? Melo's isn't that great, does that make him crap. T-macs isn't that great does that make him crap? Double P, JKidd, VC, Jalen ETC. People please, stop arguing.
He did deserve the MVP that year. That's very true. But, I don't understand why you look past his 38% fgs. Or his 4.4 topg. Or the fact his team sucked ass last year. Why do you look past all this? I think people have come up with valid reasons why he's not as good as others think. I'd like to hear why you think he's so great? What makes him so great? I'd love to hear it. Cause, from what I've read lately, all you come up with is his 6 apg. But, consider his assist to turnover ratio. Less than 2 to 1. Hell, less than 1.5 to 1. He almost cancels out his assists because of his at times, sloppy play. And I know Kobe has his faults and has coaching problems at times. I know these things. But, they aren't nearly to the extent of AIs. Kobe at least listened to Phil even though he didn't like him. But, lets not get into this. I'm curious to hear some of your other reasons on why AI is so damn great in your mind. C'mon, lets hear em.
Iverson didnt listen to Randy Ayers,from what I remember him and Coach Ayers had a pretty good relationship,it was Glenn Robinson who had problems with him. I know that AI has a bad Fg% but even if a bad defender is guarding him he is still undersized and he has to shoot over every body so it is probally a factor in his bad shooting and he has to work even harder to create his own shot.
The Facts are the Facts man: Iverson is one of the all-time best small guards. He has had an injury plagued career, and has continued to play with heart. He was an MVP He has a bad shooting %, so do have the other players in the league, and he still manages to average more PPG than them. He takes apart teams and players, despite his size. He nearly led a team to a championship, a team that had very little talent on it, compared to teams that year like Los Angeles. HAs been an All-Star several times, and also AS MVP. He shoots many shots for his PPG, and still averages 6 assists. Though he averages many turnovers, its but a small setback due to his height. When compared to the rest of his resume, its irrelevant. The fact that the Sixers havent been a good team in awhile has little, if anything, to do with AI. I can go on, but its not necessary. These are just some of the things that makes Allen Iverson a great player. He will go down as one of the best small guards ever. Dispute it all you want, I dont care, ive made my point, which is correct. Im outta this thread before I make myself look like an AI fanboy.
Everyone needs to calm down. Seriously. This is out of hand. We all know that Brian Skinner is a better guard than Iverson.
Fine, you know, I have a feeling we're never going to agree on this topic. You think you're right, I think I'm right. I feel I've got enough to back up my thoughts, you feel you have enough to back up yours. We could go back and forth for forever and make the mods close the thread because we're getting out of hand or something. So, I'm pretty much done with this thread also cause I feel that I've made valid points as to why I don't think he's so good. Granted you've made valid points also, I still feel as if I'm right. But, I'll just leave at as, we can't agree. And, I don't feel like arguing all night, so I, like you, will stop now with this back and forth stuff. And, it's likely I'm done with this thread also.
Here is what you have to ask yourself...Would you want Iverson on your team? I am a huge suns fan. I would not want Iverson on the Suns...Period. He has a bad attitude and is NOT a team player. He may have been a team player in the past but he is not now. Steve Nash is a team player. That is why i rank him above AI.
Look...everyone is saying that Iverson can't be degraded because he is on a team by himself. Someone said you can't take that away from him...well, just because Kobe is on a team with Shaq, you can't take his talent away from him either, if you guys wanna get technical. You AI fans assume that Kobe can't win by himself...and all that are anti-Iverson believe and notice that he can't win a ring by himself. McGrady can't do it by himself, Carter can't...LeBron cant'...and Shaq won't be able to. About scoring...why does everyone make a big deal about his PPG average? OOOH Al Jefferson should've been drafted #1 because he averaged 42 PPG in his senior year of high school....right??? No. If you have not a single player to help you, and you score 30 PPG, that's expected because nobody else can score. If you have another star player and you both average 26-30 PPG...then that looks like two great players, not just one. Someone tell me why Iverson isn't scoring 50 PPG, like Wilt averaged (somewhere around there) or even 37 PPG (Jordan's average one season) if he is so great, and the only guy scoring. If I was on my college basketball team and all by myself, I'd be throwing up every single shot, and scoring nearly 30 a game too. Also, maybe looking at AI as a human rather than a scoring machine would lead me away from him, if I was a GM. Sure, Iverson got his MVP and his Rookie of the Year award...but he wouldn't have won his ROTY award so easily if Kobe wasn't sitting the bench for his rookie year. If Shaq and Kobe were on opposite teams and happened to make the playoffs when Iverson got his MVP, then one of them would've had it instead...simple as that. Nobody can say that Dikembe didn't help Iverson...because Iverson will NEVER get to the Finals ever again without a decent big man. I'll say that to my grave. Even then, I doubt he'd win the Finals unless he had Garnett, Shaq, Duncan or someone who can score...but then what would happen to his PPG? They'd drop bigtime. Ask McGrady what he's gotta do to win a championship...he has to play team ball. His PPG will drop if he wants to win...he's playing with Yao. Why doesn't Kobe's PPG drop drastically, even in his worst year? Because he's a better overall player, even with Shaq, Malone and Payton...and no help whatsoever on getting him open looks and a nice hole in the paint. If none of this makes sense to someone, then watch basketball...get NBA TV so you can see for yourself, instead of reading stats.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">First, that's rude as hell and completely unnecessary to tell people to shut up when they bring up valid points. Second, your example for ignoring those "issues" are laughable. So because he grew up in the projects, means that he's bound to have issues? I'm sure there are plenty of people who grew up in the projects who will have "issues' of thier own with your statements. </div> there are a set of false assumptions in your reply. first, when i said, "shut up" i was implying that the ai detractors regurgitated the same allegations against ai, be original. that should be obvious but i apologize if somebody took offense. "issues", the reality is that if u were born black, poor and to single mother u are born into a social deficit in the united states. i can quantify this with statistics but we are all aware of them. and I was not condemning or ridiculing people of the projects just merely admiring people those who do incredible things in spite of their upbringing like ai.
this is final there are two things to every player: how they play and personality i hate both A.I.s personality and how he plays i hate kobes personality but love how he plays And in my favorite double p i love his personality and how he plays
I think his heart and pride and winning mentality is what makes him such a great player...other than that, its nothin really special to average 30 points on 26 shots a game...
I'd like to see Kobe get close to a championship without a legitament big man... it's almost impossible. He's had Shaq his entire career, he's kinda like a spoiled baby. You ever see how every guard Shaq plays with gets better numbers when playing with him? Penny Hardaway anyone? I won't be surprised if Kobe's numbers go down. I don't care what you guys say, I don't think Kobe's as good as the hype.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting youngballer:</div><div class="quote_post">this is going allong with whats so bad about keith horn whats so good about A.I.? Hes useless hes a ballhog, though i will give him propsfor 26.6 ppg but he had quite a few games where he scored nothing or next to nothing. to prove hes a ball hog shot 34% from the field 29% from three point land 75% ft. After u get by the 26.6 ppg ull notice the team didnt make the playoffs. SO STOP GIVING HIM CREDIT! hes not a verbal leader or emotonal. he is always in trouble running off his stupid half witted mouth or getting into legal problems with drugs and gun possesion. Not only does he not know how to play he doesnt know how to live not only is he horrible at basketball hes trash he tries to be a bad boy then cries to the media that every one has him so wrong. A.I. SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!! His ego is taller than himself! hes talking bout practice im talking about a retard</div> Pretty dumb thread. Did you actually think before you wrote this? Also how did you do in English class? Just wondering because your punctuation and grammar get 2 thumbs up. hahaha.
so while nba stars are petrified at the notion of going to greece, ai is practicing in july getting ready to represent his country. maybe u ai detractors need to reevaluate your position. http://www.courierpostonline.com/news/sports/s070504d.htm
