No actually we don't have to give up that pick till 2008 or 2009, that would be horrible to add to Cleveland's wealth of talented players
Deception thats too much that will never happen because the raps wont get the #1 pick obviously and the pick babcock made last year was sorta a Purpose pick because the raps needed rebounding so they took araujo now if you can name one more player better then araujo at the PF/C position higher then him in the draft i will agree with you that araujo was a bad pikc but till then he was a good pick and babcock made a great decision.
It may be correct that the Raptors assessed their main problems and made the Araujo choice to help with one of those problems, but the thing is, the Raptors could have taken a point guard aswell, as there other main problem was the need of a true point guard. Look at all the stellar point guards taken after Araujo... Jameer Nelson, Sebastien Telfair, Beno Udrih... And then the Big Men... Andris Biedrins, Kris Humphries, Al Jefferson... The Choice Babcock made was undoubtably questionable, but we have to wait for the remainder of the season to truely figure out how it panned out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Streetball2k5:</div><div class="quote_post">It may be correct that the Raptors assessed their main problems and made the Araujo choice to help with one of those problems, but the thing is, the Raptors could have taken a point guard aswell, as there other main problem was the need of a true point guard. Look at all the stellar point guards taken after Araujo... Jameer Nelson, Sebastien Telfair, Beno Udrih... And then the Big Men... Andris Biedrins, Kris Humphries, Al Jefferson... The Choice Babcock made was undoubtably questionable, but we have to wait for the remainder of the season to truely figure out how it panned out.</div> First of all, all the big men you named suck and havent shown much in the nba yet and hoffa has and second of all we have got alston we dont need any PG's plus all the PG's you mentioned arent good Accept for Telfair but since i saw Araujo start these last 2 games hes averaged almost a double double and on monday he will get his career highs in every category i think cause mitchell has wanted to play him more often now.
Jefferson, Biedrins, and Humphries have all shown exceptional amounts of what they can do, and to say that they suck, when they are putting up solid numbers which match, and in 2 cases exceed Araujo's is wrong. All the players I have named are getting minimal amounts of minutes, just like Araujo. Take Jefferson as an example to this, in about 5 more minutes than Hoffa, he is scoring 4 more points a game, pulling down 1 more rebound, blocking 1 more shot, and to top it off he is shooting a great percentage. .526 compared to Hoffa's .407 which horrible for a big man. Alston wouldn't be here if we had drafted Telfair or something, so I can't really make an arguement about what could have been.
tru tru but still which of the 4 is bigger and which of the 4 had more success in college....obviously araujo thats why he went 8th plus just for the fact book i was praying that they would have taken either Harrison whos at Indiana now or Telfair.
You wanted to take Harrison with the 8th pick? He was drafted at the end of round 1 for a reason, he isn't anything special. Telfair would have been nice, but you have to remember that Alston most likely wouldn't be here is Telfair was drafted. As for which has more success in college, you have to know that Jefferson came straight out of high school, Humphries is only 20, and Biedrins is only 19. Araujo is 25 years old, he is supposed to be in his prime years already, but it is obvious he is not. Jefferson, Humphries, and Biedrins all have lots of time to reach their full potential, in the NBA, not in college. I would rather have a 18 year old in Jefferson coming straight out of highschool, who is doing better than Araujo, than a 25 year old with lots less potential and bad numbers. Wouldn't you?
yeah i guess but still Harrison is bigger then araujo and all he needs to work on is his stanima and crap like that
I would. Agreed on that one. That Araujo was a doubtful pick is certain - but then again, it's a solid decision considering that the Raptors badly needed a center of center size. The other centers drafted in the first round are Robert Swift, David Harrison and Pavel Podkolzine - and of course, Okafor, who was drafted before. Swift came out of HS while Podkolzine is from Russia - they must've assumed that Araujo had more experience than Swift; they also might not have known that much about Podkolzine. Harrison saw more playing time during Jermaine O'Neal's suspension - he started fourteen games and averages 6.9 and 3.7 in 21 minutes a game, while Araujo averages 2.1 and 3.1 in 10 minutes a game... It's difficult to tell whether or not Araujo will pan out in the future, but I think he has a shot at performing as a role player.
David Harrison sucks man, he has offense and can block shots, but he's a horrible rebounder, he averaged about 6.8 rebounds per 40 minutes which is worse than every big man on our team right now. We complain aobut Bosh grabbing only 7 boards in 33 or so minutes, well Harrison would only grab 5 boards in that time. Harrison was picked exactly where he should've been picked. Al Jefferson has been great so far, he can score, rebound, and block shots, he has a few post moves, a nice mid-range jumper, and though not super athletic has good athleticism. He's more of a PF than a center though...
I didn't see Harrison all that much, but judging from his stats, he's not the rebounding presence needed, as you said. Araujo is averaging 0.6 RPG less in HALF the minutes.
Harrison is listed as one inch taller than Araujo, and they're listed at the same weight. So, he's not "bigger."
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Streetball2k5:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know about that all-rookie team could be a stretch for Bonner. Here is what I think the rookie teams will look like. Team 1 G- Iguodala G- Gordon F- Deng F- Howard C- Okafor Team 2 G- Smith G- Harris F- Childress F- Jefferson/Kristic/Bonner C- Harrison</div> Rookie Teams don't go with Guards, Forwards and Center(s), they put the top 5 players there. The First Team is abut Right, but Bonner has been playing better than Harris, Childress and Jefferson. Harrison's minutes have already gone down since JO came back. I do think Krstic will be better than Bonner this season however, because he's get huge minutes now. With the emergence of Araujo, and if he can keep it up, he can sneak into the 2nd team. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And then the Big Men... Andris Biedrins, Kris Humphries, Al Jefferson... The Choice Babcock made was undoubtably questionable, but we have to wait for the remainder of the season to truely figure out how it panned out.</div> Honestly, I would rather have Hoffa than all 3 of them. Humphries and Biendris will take more time than Hoffa to develop (but we have time), however they're both PF's. Bosh is a PF, and as poor as he has been guarding PF's, he's not good enough to play the 3. I guess we could of taken Al Jefferson, he's a beast just like Hoffa, and more skilled inside, but oh well. Jefferson has been inconsistant this season like Woods (with less playing time), but you have to remember than Babcock came into this season thinking that he can win the division this year with a happy Vince (as he appeared to be at the time), and the rest of the crew. I thought the same thing, so he drafted Hoffa, who seemed more NBA ready than Al. About Jameer and Sebastin, Babcock drafted Araujo thinking that he can win this year. Their were more points out there in the FA Market than Centers. Instead of letting Bosh play through hell again this year the Center, he decided to draft Araujo, and get a PG via Free Agency. Going into Training Camp he had the whole VC thing, and Hoffa didn't seem quite ready for the NBA as we all initially thought. However, Woods emerged and he got the starting spot, and played decent for us for the first couple of weeks. Then we traded VC, and the situation got worse with Woods who didn't play good at all in recent weeks, which lead to Hoffa's promotion. Right now I would rather have a combination of Alston and Hoffa at the point and Center than Telfair-Woods/FA, Jameer-Woods/FA, Alston-Jefferson. We could of picked Jefferson if he was willing to play Center, but we didn't. I wanna see a little more of Hoffa before I make any more comments.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i see them getting the first pick overall but riddled with misfortune the raps will be forced to give it up because of the lammond murray trade. babcock will resign, coach mitchell would have gone crazy, hoffa would be performing in the brazilian circus and vince carter would be the reigning MVP</div> itsnot possible thbe raps can b worse then NO
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Rookie Teams don't go with Guards, Forwards and Center(s), they put the top 5 players there.</div> Alrighty <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The First Team is abut Right, but Bonner has been playing better than Harris, Childress and Jefferson.</div> I'm talking about the end of the season, and by that time I expect all 3 of them to have surpassed Bonner on the rookie standings, because I don't think Bonner can continue to shoot such an amazing %. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Harrison's minutes have already gone down since JO came back. I do think Krstic will be better than Bonner this season however, because he's get huge minutes now. With the emergence of Araujo, and if he can keep it up, he can sneak into the 2nd team.</div> Agreed <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly, I would rather have Hoffa than all 3 of them. Humphries and Biendris will take more time than Hoffa to develop (but we have time), however they're both PF's. Bosh is a PF, and as poor as he has been guarding PF's, he's not good enough to play the 3.</div> I definitely understand that both Humphries and Biedrins would definitely be projects, but I don't mind that seeing we have entered the rebuilding stage as of now. I know that Bosh is a PF, the same as both of them, but I also know that Bosh is our starter and either Humphries or Biedrins would be backing him up. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess we could of taken Al Jefferson, he's a beast just like Hoffa, and more skilled inside, but oh well. Jefferson has been inconsistant this season like Woods (with less playing time), but you have to remember than Babcock came into this season thinking that he can win the division this year with a happy Vince (as he appeared to be at the time), and the rest of the crew. I thought the same thing, so he drafted Hoffa, who seemed more NBA ready than Al.</div> Jefferson would have been my ideal choice as the pick. Like you say he is a beast, but the most intriguing thing to me is that he is a highschooler, 7 years younger than Hoffa, that's plenty of time to reach your potential. I honestly didn't think that Woods was ready to be our starter, but I know he had to be because, Hoffa just isn't starter type, yet. I understand the whole winning division situation along with the need for immediate help at the C, so I don't think we should be argueing about what "could have been". Who would have known we would be in the process of rebuilding at this point in time 3 months ago? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">About Jameer and Sebastin, Babcock drafted Araujo thinking that he can win this year. Their were more points out there in the FA Market than Centers. Instead of letting Bosh play through hell again this year the Center, he decided to draft Araujo, and get a PG via Free Agency.</div> If Bobcock honestly came into camp thinking we could win, he must've been high or something. With everyone happy, We still would have been fighting for a playoff spot. We could have easily looked for a centre on the market, like Stromile Swift, and picked a guard in the draft. We all know Bosh is a 4 and we don't need one, that's why Swift would be brought in. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Going into Training Camp he had the whole VC thing, and Hoffa didn't seem quite ready for the NBA as we all initially thought. However, Woods emerged and he got the starting spot, and played decent for us for the first couple of weeks. Then we traded VC, and the situation got worse with Woods who didn't play good at all in recent weeks, which lead to Hoffa's promotion.</div> ......I know, lol <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Right now I would rather have a combination of Alston and Hoffa at the point and Center than Telfair-Woods/FA, Jameer-Woods/FA, Alston-Jefferson. We could of picked Jefferson if he was willing to play Center, but we didn't.</div> All those combinations are pretty good, some are for the future, some are for now, anyways this arguement is pretty dumb, what happened in the draft happened. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I wanna see a little more of Hoffa before I make any more comments.</div> Same
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">No actually we don't have to give up that pick till 2008 or 2009, that would be horrible to add to Cleveland's wealth of talented players</div> the rich get richer.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">the rich get richer.</div> Oh so true.... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "HurricaneJesus":</div><div class="quote_post">Harrison is listed as one inch taller than Araujo, and they're listed at the same weight. So, he's not "bigger."</div> Harrison is also more fat than muscle, he's not toned, Araujo is bulk and muscle and is stronger than Harrison would be because of that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Rookie Teams don't go with Guards, Forwards and Center(s), they put the top 5 players there. The First Team is abut Right, but Bonner has been playing better than Harris, Childress and Jefferson. Harrison's minutes have already gone down since JO came back. I do think Krstic will be better than Bonner this season however, because he's get huge minutes now. With the emergence of Araujo, and if he can keep it up, he can sneak into the 2nd team.</div> Forgot about that, but Jefferson's numbers are pretty good, and Kristic should get in there because he's playing 25+ minutes per game, and it's not going to stop.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm talking about the end of the season, and by that time I expect all 3 of them to have surpassed Bonner on the rookie standings, because I don't think Bonner can continue to shoot such an amazing %.</div> Well Devin Harris doesn't seem to be getting the PT he's been getting at the begginning of the season. Right now Terry, Armstrong and Daniels are all ahead of him on the depth chart, and unless one of them get's injured, I don't see Harris cracking the 1st or 2nd team. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I definitely understand that both Humphries and Biedrins would definitely be projects, but I don't mind that seeing we have entered the rebuilding stage as of now. I know that Bosh is a PF, the same as both of them, but I also know that Bosh is our starter and either Humphries or Biedrins would be backing him up.</div> That would be kind of odd. We would of had to address or PG and Center needs through FA, with only the MLE. Plus, why waste a number 8 pick on a player that you plan on backing up your future "star" player, that's going to be getting huge minutes in the near future. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jefferson would have been my ideal choice as the pick. Like you say he is a beast, but the most intriguing thing to me is that he is a highschooler, 7 years younger than Hoffa, that's plenty of time to reach your potential. I honestly didn't think that Woods was ready to be our starter, but I know he had to be because, Hoffa just isn't starter type, yet. I understand the whole winning division situation along with the need for immediate help at the C, so I don't think we should be argueing about what "could have been". Who would have known we would be in the process of rebuilding at this point in time 3 months ago?</div> Al is actually about 4 and half years younger than Hoffa. Hoffa went to college four years, Al didn't go at all. But I understand what you're saying about the situation. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If Bobcock honestly came into camp thinking we could win, he must've been high or something. With everyone happy, We still would have been fighting for a playoff spot. We could have easily looked for a centre on the market, like Stromile Swift, and picked a guard in the draft. We all know Bosh is a 4 and we don't need one, that's why Swift would be brought in.</div> We don't have enough money for Swift. He's going to command a salary of atleast 6 Million this offseason. We cannot get him with our MLE. Plus if he signed with us, Memphis would of just matched, because the offer would be well within their price range. Swift is not really a Center either, so I don't see him as solution. Hoffa frees up space for Bosh, and He's like his older brother cuz Bosh won't get bullied around like last season with Hoffa down there. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Harrison is also more fat than muscle, he's not toned, Araujo is bulk and muscle and is stronger than Harrison would be because of that.</div> Everyone thinks Harrison is all good, but he's not. He's a big body with limited post skills basically. He's soft too.
