Notice Where does Damian Lillard fall among All-Time Trail Blazers backcourt greats?

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  1. lamlor

    lamlor Well-Known Member

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    And as far as Dame goes, he talks a lot but not sold on his leadership. Just because a guy wants to be a leader, that doesn't make him a great leader. Has he taken players to a hire level? If so, these players suck more than I thought. I don't play the homer game. Give him props for staying in Portland, but don't be blinded by his overall value. Stats lie.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    No way. Adam Morrison. Or bust.
     
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    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    These players may suck more than you thought. But I'm intrigued by how you think Roy brought out the best in LMA (who he feuded with and who didn't break out into LaMonster until after Roy left), Bayless, Jack, Przy....I mean, maybe?
    If "stats lie", which I'm willing to discuss, how is it that you value Dame? I'd submit that giving teammates credit in his interviews, running pre-season workout sessions and team camps, going to bat for teammates to the owner, etc, all on a team that is overachieving by any realistic expectation, is pretty decent, and doesn't include stats.
    If we include stats, Dame has the edge in everything except rebounding (by 0.2 per game) and FG% (45.9 to 43.7%). Errrythang. Including playoffs.
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Ask his teammates and they seem to believe he is an excellent leader. I buy what they say over your doubts, HANDS DOWN.
     
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    This was from Nov. Maybe the stats have gotten worse (there is a lot of noise in SSS)...
     
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    This was interesting. I'd just assumed that he was pretty damn far behind Clyde...especially in counting stats, but also in scoring/rebounding. Turns out, not so much.
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Porter was fantastic, but had wayyyy better talent around him than Dame does now. Not even close.
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    I consider Roy and Dame to be equal when it comes to taking and hitting that last shot. Both are incredible in that scenario. Dame, though hit the biggest shot in a playoff game between the two though in that situation.
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    C'mon now. Twardzik? Pinball was a nice roll player. Him, Hollins, and Davis ALL got to play with Walton and Lucas. TP ahead of Clyde? C'mon now.
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    That's like saying Trent Dilfer ahead of Dan Marino.
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    To me, the biggest and heaviest deciding factor in this, is the ability to take a team on his back, and lead them to victory through personal play, & will. The most dynamic in that situation in the history of the Blazers at the guard position are Clyde Drexler, and Damian Lillard. Roy to a lesser degree had some of those moments as well, but not the consistency of the other two. And out of Clyde, and Dame, I like the killer instinct of Dame the most.
     
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    Yes. FUCK ROY and his ISO bullshit offense.
     
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    All this. FUCK ROY
     
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    Have to disagree with your logic of Twardzik and Hollins being the best based on a championship. It takes a complete team to win a championship and they weren;t even the best players on that tea, where as Roy and Lillard are clearly the best players on their respective teams. Also, by your logic, Avery Johnson should be considered a better point guard than Stockton or Nash as Johnson has a ring and Stockton and Nash never won one.
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Exactly
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Pretty perfect. I would probably switch Paxson and Petrie, but that is nitpicking.
     
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    I am glad you do because teammates never lie about the star on the team...until they leave.
     
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    Pretty sure that at least Ed, Nurk, CJ and Pat have been very vocal about loving Dame. Hell, even guys like Montero talk about it.
    http://ht.ly/34HVmS
    http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ic_rediscovers_the_fun_as_portland_trail.html
    http://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/...hip-how-damian-lillard-mentoring-jusuf-nurkic
    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/15491511/lillard-leadership-makes-portland-winner
    http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-ed-davis-talks-blazers-lakers-kobe-lillard/
     
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    42N8Bounce Red Hot And Rebuilding

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    Here's my ranking -
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    Drexler no doubt on the top of the list.

    Lillard-Porter was a tough decision Terry with 4 more years as a Blazer, and of course those 2 finals appearances just made me give him the edge for the time being.

    CJ will be passing Twardzik in my book soon.

    I thought about ranking Steve Blake higher, but, well, you know, he is Steve Blake.
     
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    What? No Stoudamire or Strickland?

    :)
     

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