<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Sep 12 2006, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Before I make a big long post, I would just like to say: It gives me great reassurace to know that BigMo smokes marijuana. </div>Cool... I'm glad. I never said I'm perfect, and I never said I strictly abide by the Quran, now did I? Hell, the majority of Christians don't fully abide by the Bible, now do they? If they did, Allah never would have revealed the religion of Islam...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 12 2006, 03:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There's no difference between 1 beer and 2 beers. It's all forbiden. On the day of judgement if you're good deeds outweight your bad deeds you will enter heaven. If not, you will enter hellfire. It doesn't matter if that person is Muslim/Christian/Hindu. Now it says in the Quran that the person who has even the least bit of Faith will enter heaven eventually. It all depends on your deeds and what you did in your life. To say "he's going to hell" because he drinks beer is forbidden.</div>I think drinking alcohol depends on your intention. If your at a party drinking beer and what-not, I think that it is sinful. However, if your with your wife on a romantic dinner and you decide to have a glass of wine, I don't think that is sinful. Even if you do drink beer, you can always stop, God will forgive you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 12 2006, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There's no difference between 1 beer and 2 beers. It's all forbiden. On the day of judgement if you're good deeds outweight your bad deeds you will enter heaven. If not, you will enter hellfire. It doesn't matter if that person is Muslim/Christian/Hindu. Now it says in the Quran that the person who has even the least bit of Faith will enter heaven eventually. It all depends on your deeds and what you did in your life. To say "he's going to hell" because he drinks beer is forbidden.</div>So how do you weigh good deeds versus bad deeds? If someone kills someone and saves two people does he go to heaven while someone who drinks one beer, tells two lies, and doesn't do anything good goes to hell? After all, I would think the first person's good deeds outweigh the first person's sins, right? And the second person's don't?And "forbidden" doesn't mean going to hell, does it? Man, I am so lost with Islamic vagueness!<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Sep 12 2006, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Cool... I'm glad. I never said I'm perfect, and I never said I strictly abide by the Quran, now did I? Hell, the majority of Christians don't fully abide by the Bible, now do they? If they did, Allah never would have revealed the religion of Islam...</div>So basically it is the same as Christianity. Reppin was essentially saying that they are different, because Muslims are always loyal to the Quran.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Sep 11 2006, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WTF religion to Asians believe in?</div>Asians believe in all of them. Some Asians are Christians, some are buddist, some a mulism. They are what they want to be lol. Where im from, About 90% of the conutry is hardcore Christian and have very strong family believes. But after taking worlds religions last year, I believe now, no matter what path you take, you get to the same place.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Sep 12 2006, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So how do you weigh good deeds versus bad deeds? If someone kills someone and saves two people does he go to heaven while someone who drinks one beer, tells two lies, and doesn't do anything good goes to hell? After all, I would think the first person's good deeds outweigh the first person's sins, right? And the second person's don't?And "forbidden" doesn't mean going to hell, does it? Man, I am so lost with Islamic vagueness!So basically it is the same as Christianity. Reppin was essentially saying that they are different, because Muslims are always loyal to the Quran.</div>In Islam there are known Sins that are worse than all - like killing, or adultery is worse than telling a lie, or stealing - there are different degrees of sin. About your anology with the two guys - that's not for us to decide - we don't know...we are told as long as our good deeds outweight our bad deeds than we go to heaven. and 'forbidden' doesn't mean going to hell - it means if you do that forbidden thing than you get bad deeds for it.Really, Islam is a very clear cut, straightforward religion - you just need the right person to explain everything to you. (I doubt Melo16, BigMo, or I can explain to you as well as a Shiek (Muslim version of priest) ) Also when I said that Muslims believe in the Qur'an cover to cover and are loyal - I meant that Muslims can't change something in the Qur'an just for their convenience. (I was relating that to the whole Lent thing, and how Christians don't really follow Lent as it's supposed to be a long time ago); and yes, Islam is very similar to Christianity, that's because Islam was derived from Christianity. So basically, don't think BigMo is going to hell just because he smokes; if he is a good person, who prays 5 times a day, fasts in Ramadan, and his good deeds out weight his bad ones than he (inshallah) will be going to Heaven. (Although I can't say for sure becuase God gets the final judgement) I hope that cleared stuff up.and guys, I've posted this like a billion times - the best way to get an explanation about something related to Islam is to visit my favorite site: http://www.sultan.org
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Sep 12 2006, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So basically it is the same as Christianity. Reppin was essentially saying that they are different, because Muslims are always loyal to the Quran.</div>Islam was derived from the same basic principles as Christianity was initially derived from. The reason it was sent down by Allah was because the words of the Bible were at some point altered by humans, and thus weren't truly the pure words of God. Islam is basically the "last chance" that Allah gave to humanity to follow his path to salvation. Like, Reppin' said, what he meant wasn't necessarily that all Muslims abide 100% by the rules of the Quran, because quite frankly that just isn't going to happen in today's world. He meant that the Quran was basically blessed by Allah so that no human can alter it's words, that's why the translations aren't always a 100% concrete resource. Again, the Quran and a Muslim scholar can obviously explain all this better than we possibly can.
It is impossible to describe the quran. Also most scienctist that belong to a religion is islam. Why? Because it is the most logical. Christianity leaves too many questions. Thats because like you said people alternated the words.
god left words out so that only the smart people would understand :happy0144:just kiddin, I don't know why god left words out of the bible, maybe to test our faith(cause he didn't want bandwaggon believers in heaven :happy0144: just kiddin again)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bballfan92 @ Sep 13 2006, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>god left words out so that only the smart people would understand :happy0144:just kiddin, I don't know why god left words out of the bible, maybe to test our faith(cause he didn't want bandwaggon believers in heaven :happy0144: just kiddin again)</div>Yes, some of the things that Allah has said in the Qur'an is a test. Not everything is logical. A lot of it is just out there to test if followers practice it. It's testing the faith of a follower. But then again, that is logical, in a sense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also most scienctist that belong to a religion is islam.</div> Can we see some numbers of that statistic. Sounds like you just threw it out there. If anything, their more logical to be athiests. Religion or not, it's still a belief.
Scientists are rarely christian, most of the time, they are atheist muslim or whatever. But those are the scientists that study religion and other political issues.
Sorry to bump this old thread, but I wanted to show my thoughts.If yall didnt know, Im very into history, dont know why but I love it with a passion like I do with basketball. From what I have learned, the only differences in Islam and Christianity are1) Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, nothing more than that2)Ishmael was the father of the Holy people3)Muhamed was sent to save and preach of God(Allah)ok, im sure theres other stuff also, but those are what I have learned so far. Obviously the general difference between Christianinty and Islam from Judism is Judism doesn't study the New Testement and the books of the Old are in a different arrangement. Personly, I think we are all praying to the same God and are obeying generaly the same laws of man. The muslims you hear about on CNN and etc. are extemist, they are kindve Muslim versions of Hitler(a christian extremist). So personaly, Im a christian, but if I had to pick another religion it would be Islam then Judism. I think Islam and Christianity are the two more logical religions. But Buddhism isnt bad either, the origional teachings of Buddha were understanding life, the religion now is alot different. Buddha himself never denied the extistence of gods or a God, so I guess you could study that also.please correct me if Im wrong about any of my Islam/Judism/Christianity differences statements.
Where are you getting this stuff about most scientist being muslim from? look at the major scientific break throughs of the last few hundred years. most the scientist have been other religions than Muslim or they have been atheist. very few scientific break throughs come from any Muslim country because A) the required technologies don't exisit there, or its against the law to do any kind of experiments like that. currently Islam is in a "dark age" if you want to call it that.
The most logical religion is the one where everybody takes their heads out of their asses and realize that there is no God. That the whole idea of a supreme being is flawed and contradictory; that it was simply implied to scare ignorant and naive people thousands of years ago into following the rules set by their oppressors.They should then realize that all organized religion has ever done, was promote unrealistic and uneccesary superstition and paranoia; that it has killed more people than any war or natural disaster; that it promotes the hindurance of intellectual growth and that it illiminates ones desire to think for himself.Hows that?
<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Christianity makes little to no sense. Christians have three Gods: God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. However, when I tell a Christian person that, they say, "Well, they're the same person!" So, I ask, "So, what your telling me is that Jesus was really God, instead of God's son? So, in other words, God did F*ck his own mother?" Then the Christian person tries to correct himself/herself, but can't and eventually say, "Shut up! You won't understand until you become Christian."Catholics? Hmm... Their Priests touch little boys. That's satanistic, isn't it?Muslims? They make sense. Okay, girls covering themselves doesn't seem to make sense, but it does when you think about it. Men have the tendency to check girls out. If a girl is all covered up, men have nothing to look at except the girl's outfit, so they leave the chick alone. I think Islam makes the most sense. It's logical.Also, when people claim that the Qu'ran states that Muslims should blow up in the name of Allah, I always laugh. That's just beyond me. Only retarded people do such things... Osama was straight up retarded.</span><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Oct 21 2006, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most logical religion is the one where everybody takes their heads out of their asses and realize that there is no God. That the whole idea of a supreme being is flawed and contradictory; that it was simply implied to scare ignorant and naive people thousands of years ago into following the rules set by their oppressors.They should then realize that all organized religion has ever done, was promote unrealistic and uneccesary superstition and paranoia; that it has killed more people than any war or natural disaster; that it promotes the hindurance of intellectual growth and that it illiminates ones desire to think for himself.Hows that?</div><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua"> :worthy: You don't know how many countless people I've told that same thing to. Nobody listens. God doesn't exist.</span>
About the Holy Trintiy, I actaully agree, I dont believe Jesus was God, but Jesus was the son of God, that simple. When you hear about the Holy Trinity, remember its never mentioned in the Bible, the Holy Trinity was a concept developed by a middle-ages council in Europe. So you dont know your religions.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Oct 21 2006, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Catholics? Hmm... Their Priests touch little boys. That's satanistic, isn't it?</div>Yes it is, just cause some wicked ass priests do that doesn't mean all priests and all christians support that kindve stuff.....cause we dont.
I've never met a person who literally believed God came down and had sex with Mary. I have heard that some Mormons believe that. It's not a matter of having to be a Christian to understand. You just have to have something that vaguely resembles intelligence.
