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  1. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    He looked at the available deals. If he turned down bad deals, that's good work.
     
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    how is what wrong?
     
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    What would you get for Frye at this point after the season? Why not let Blake walk if it means a better option comes back in a trade? Everyone but me seems to hate Outlaw, so who cares about him? I find it funny that players that people complain about now need to be kept in the offseason.
     
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    Frye is worthless. Like I said at the time of the ZBO trade.

    Blake is a good veteran point guard that we can use for many years. He's steady, hits some 3s and is a smart player. We always just can't have young studly point guards..we have to have that vet presence in the back court.

    Outlaw? he's making like 4 million per year, is an apt scorer and we'll just let him go for nothing at all?

    Frye is the only one worth renouncing and his contract isn't that big to begin with. But then we'd have to get a backup PF anyways, which will eat a few million of that cap space.
     
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    IMO, just renouncing Outlaw and Blake just to get a guy like Ramon Sessions isn't going to do jack shit. Its borderline ridiculous.
     
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    Renouncing Frye and getting creative with the TE means the team is over $10 million under the cap. Are you telling me a bad team wouldn't consider a trade at that point if the 125% rule didn't matter?
     
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    That doesn't have to happen though. You saying that's the only way to get Sessions is ridiculous, however.

    Are you OK?
     
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    Trade for what. Our young guys for their old, overpaid players? Look, even if we are going to be targeting teams with inflated salaries, they are not going to be trading young players on the rise with reasonable contracts...they'll be trading more expensive players who are at or past their peak.
     
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    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    For future reference, the reason they show the old posts in each thread is so you can go back and look at them to see what each other said if you forget. Here's a recap:

    You said:
    We've had this on the table for an entire half a season, a deal could have been made. KP dropped the ball on this one by not being able to utilize valuable assets. What we're left is that we're competing on a FA market in which there is a lot of uncertainty...its much more difficult to asess what and who is available. By all indications, Wallace and Butler may have been readily available....who'll be available this summer? Who knows.

    Then I said:
    My point exactly. You are pissed we didn't trade for guys when you don't even know if they were available.

    Then you said:

    how do we know the targets we want will be available this summer?

    we don't. That's why cap space is a crap shoot.

    Then I said:

    That argument only makes sense if KP said to himself, "I don't want to pull the trigger on this deal, because I think we can sign a better FA in the summer."

    I have no way of knowing if he thought that or not. And neither do you. Which means your argument only make sense in make-believe land.

    Then you said:

    Well, that's the position that most in the "pro-no trade" are taking. I just don't think that we'll be a major player in Free Agency....we'll get a mid-tier NBA player to help off the bench.

    Then I said:
    Your response to my argument is that I am taking the position of the side that disagrees with you? How profound. What I would like to know is, how is it wrong?



    Which brings us to the present, and you still haven't answered the question, how is my argument wrong?
     
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    I never said that you are taking the position of the side that disgarees with me. By the position of the "pro-no trade", I was referring to: "I don't want to pull the trigger on this deal, because I think we can sign a better FA in the summer." in reference to KP, not you.
     
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    Whether you were saying i was taking that position or KP was is inconsequential. How is the position wrong?
     
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    Pritchard didn't say that though. The one thing he did say was that having cap space may actually increase trade options this summer. Did you even listen to him interviewed on 95.5 or 1080?
     
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    Petro seems to be talking out of his ass at this point. He is making stuff up and is talking while not having a clue about what any of this means.
     
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    Because it may have very likely been a case of KP having too many offers, juggling too much and not being able to close the deal....not trading RLEC may not have been a choice but an inability for KP to get it done.
     
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    No, I didn't listen to his interview. Of course having cap space increases trade options this summer. Doesn't mean they'll be any better than what RLEC could have brought back now.
     
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    Yet you bash him all day and all night. :biglaugh:
     
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    It brings back basically the same thing in terms of cash from the organization, and it happens in an economy that has most of us unsettled. Take a step back.
     
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    And what could RLEC have brought back now? Cite some real, verified trade offers, no hypothetical trades that you think might or might not have been available.
     
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    You think KP turned down an offer for someone like Wallace or Butler because he had too much on his plate? The guy set a record for most draft day trades ever! I don't know what happened, and you don't know what happened, but that reasoning doesn't seem very sound to me.
     
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    Sorry, I'm not privy to that information. All I know is that RLEC could have brought back about 13 million dollars in salary/talent for a team looking to get under the luxury tax threshold and save some money.
     

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