Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Sep 11 2006, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Put it this way, if Pierce was throwing down dunks like Vince Carter everyone would call him a top 3 wing in the NBA. That's the sad reality.</div>Agree 100 %, I like the way he plays...........he's not the fastest or the most athletic but somehow you can't guard this guy one on one. During his first few years I was one of those who don't believe in him, it's no coincidence Shaq named him the Truth, llol.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RashadzMcCantz @ Sep 10 2006, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Kobe Bryant2. Lebron James3. Dwyane Wade4. Kevin Garnett5. Tim Duncan6. Dirk Nowitzki7. Allen Iverson8. Tracy McGrady9.Steve Nash10.Shaquille O'neal11.Gilbert Arenas12.Vince Carter</div>Carter above Pierce? I like SunnyD's list the best, however I think that Chauncey Billups is in serious consideration to be a superstar. Melo is on the verge, in fact I think this is the year he takes the step to becoming a superstar.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? I put in marketing/winning/style/game into my list.Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, Allen Iverson, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Tim Duncan. I think you guys have too many people listed.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? KobeDirkKGTMacLebronWadeAIDuncanShaqVince Carter? Haha, what a joke..
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pistonfan11 @ Sep 11 2006, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter above Pierce? I like SunnyD's list the best, however I think that Chauncey Billups is in serious consideration to be a superstar. Melo is on the verge, in fact I think this is the year he takes the step to becoming a superstar.</div>why do you try tput chauncey billups into everything? he's far froma superstar.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? Agreed Just because he is the best player on his team doesn't make him a superstar! He has always had good players around him and has never really had to put a team on his back and carry them on a regular basis.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Sep 11 2006, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let's see him in the NBA first? He is entering his 4th year and last year he scored 26 ppg. He was great last year. The only knock is that he hasn't gotten the job done in the playoffs, but you didn't mention that. You made it sound like he hasn't proven anything in the NBA yet, when he has.</div>But has he proven enough to make me claim:"Oh yeah, Carmelo can take off any one of those guys from my list."No, he hasn't. Carmelo has been underrated so far. I mean, he had the same stats as T-Mac, but an injured T-Mac made it to the All-Star Game and Melo didn't. However, he hasn't proven that's he is amongst the league's top players yet. I know he will this upcoming season because he took the Denver Nuggets to the Playoffs all by himself. That's a great accomplishment. You can't take that away from the guy. Instead, I will take away his "superstar" credibility until he proves that he is arguably one of the league's superstars. I consider him to be a superstar, but only for the Denver Nuggets. He's not a superstar whom everyone talks about.My list consisted of players whom people speak openly about and discuss about, etc. Melo? Nobody has ever said much about him until this summer in the FIBA games. He shined in the FIBA games, but he was underrated in the NBA. I like the guy, but he's not top superstar material. He will be, though. I'm positive he will be. :no3: Until then, leave me alone or I will cry... Meow...
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Sep 12 2006, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, he hasn't. Carmelo has been underrated so far. I mean, he had the same stats as T-Mac, but an injured T-Mac made it to the All-Star Game and Melo didn't. However, he hasn't proven that's he is amongst the league's top players yet. I know he will this upcoming season because he took the Denver Nuggets to the Playoffs all by himself. That's a great accomplishment. You can't take that away from the guy. Instead, I will take away his "superstar" credibility until he proves that he is arguably one of the league's superstars. I consider him to be a superstar, but only for the Denver Nuggets. He's not a superstar whom everyone talks about.</div>I like Melo too, he is underrated though. He got a bad rap from Bill Walton saying something like "he cares more about shoe deals than basketball" I think that is why he missed out on the all star game. People think he is selfish spoilt millionaire. I think he is a hard worker and has earned his money and shoe contracts
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Sep 11 2006, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why do you try tput chauncey billups into everything? he's far froma superstar.</div>He was in other people's lists too.... He was an MVP candidate, all star, Finals MVP, top 2 point guard in the league, so to say he is far from a superstar is a little off, and I said he was in contention, which means another great season or two more and I think he is a superstar.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pistonfan11 @ Sep 11 2006, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He was in other people's lists too.... He was an MVP candidate, all star, Finals MVP, top 2 point guard in the league, so to say he is far from a superstar is a little off, and I said he was in contention, which means another great season or two more and I think he is a superstar.</div>No, I believe he does not need another season or two. He has proven to be a superstar. How can a guy become a Finals MVP/candidate for Season MVP on a team with 5 All-Stars? That seems impossible, doesn't it? Chauncey Billups found a way. I believe he has proven that he's a superstar. He became a superstar in 2004! The Pistons became a dominant team with Chauncey Billups moving the pact ahead.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? this is a little frustrating. people are throwing the superstar label around too often. a superstar is an idol. not an all-star. a superstar is someone that if you take a random person off the street that doesn't follow basketball, they will be able to recognize them immediately. People know Lebron. they know wade. they know kobe. they know shaq. they know allen iverson. most know mcgrady.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? According to dictionary.com<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1. a person, as a performer or athlete, who enjoys wide recognition, is esteemed for exceptional talent, and is eagerly sought after for his or her services</div>Everyone really has their own definiton of who is a superstar and who isn't, it's hard to argue players like McGrady, Carter and Pierce don't get wide recognition.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? But when I think Superstar, I think commercials, endorsements, shoe contracts, stuff like that. sadly enough, it doesn't have a whole lot to do with talent. I mean it does, but if a player is good but not flashy (see, Tim Duncan, Paul Elton Brand), they don't get enough recogintion. Although Duncan gets alot of recognition for his ability to win. so he's borderline.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But when I think Superstar, I think commercials, endorsements, shoe contracts, stuff like that. sadly enough, it doesn't have a whole lot to do with talent. I mean it does, but if a player is good but not flashy (see, Tim Duncan, Paul Elton Brand), they don't get enough recogintion. Although Duncan gets alot of recognition for his ability to win. so he's borderline.</div>I think you're wrong, though, because Duncan does get recognition as superstar. Almost everyone has him in their list. It's a bit complicated really, because first he was left off everyone's lists because he was so un-flashy, but then everyone noticed that, and everyone went back the other way, and put him on their list, which is what he deserved.The bottom line is: What you define as a superstar is objective, your personal opinion. There are only maybe 2 or 3 guys in the league who everyone says is a definite superstar. Even if the dictionary says one thing, people say something different.By the way, what do you mean "(see, Tim Duncan, Paul Elton Brand)"? Do you mean Chris Paul?
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? BCB looking at your list, I'm not seeing Kevin Garnett? Why is that?
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Sep 12 2006, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BCB looking at your list, I'm not seeing Kevin Garnett? Why is that?</div> For me, being a superstar is something rare. You either have to be elite/winning or elite/huge marketability. 1. Kobe Bryant: Winner and was huge fan wise/marketing wise...getting back after incident. 2. Shaquille O'Neal: Huge career, winner, marketing giant even at age, nobody gets more attention. 3. LeBron James: Elite player, amazingly popular, market giant. 4. Dwyane Wade: Winner, elite, marketability is very good. 5. Tim Duncan: Great career, champion, elite player. Kevin Garnett: Average marketability, not a big winner, great career. If I put KG in then I have to put Elton Brand in...etc...This is what I go by, I can see why people disagree but this is my system.
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Sep 12 2006, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, what do you mean "(see, Tim Duncan, Paul Elton Brand)"? Do you mean Chris Paul?</div>Pretty sure he meant Paul Pierce..But yeah, my definition of a superstar are pretty much what dogma and BCB said... they need to be recognizable by name, at least play some great ball, marketability, etc.Man... that's all I need to/want to say
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? Labelling someone a superstar is a very fine line. To ME, you have to be a mix of a popular public figure and elite player. If you are not a top 10 player but have done things and have endorsement deals that would warrant the label (like VC) then I'd also consider you a superstar. To me, the superstars in the league are:Kobe, Shaq, AI, T-Mac, LBJ, Wade, TD, KG, VC, Yao, JKiddAfter those players it starts getting sketchy. Generally those are the players with the biggest endorsement deals and all that (except TD), and they are very well known, but they are also in a very elite class of players and will all make a huge mark in the history of the sport. Players that are in one group but not quite in another- Steve Nash, Elton Brand, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony
Re: Who are the League's Superstars? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Sep 12 2006, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For me, being a superstar is something rare. You either have to be elite/winning or elite/huge marketability.</div>I said this EXACT same thing in a previous thread. It's not even close to as much to do with how good of a ball player you are. Where you play, marketability, flashiness all go into it. There are TONS of great players that aren't superstars...Dirk, Brand, Arenas, Redd, J-Rich, Bibby, Gasol, Pierce, etcSuperstars is a small list, that I'd confine to1. LeBron2. Wade3. Kobe4. Melo5. Iverson6. Shaq7. Vince8. Duncanprobably forgetting a player or two, but you get the gist of my argument.
