<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Nov 22 2006, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats a poor argument...I understand what your saying but nobody deserves a championship just because they were a great player. Just because I get all A's on my assignments in a semester doesn't mean I 'deserve' an A on my final exam. I have a hard time honestly saying some player deserves a championship...</div>How can you say guys like KG and AI(especially AI) don't deserve a ring? Look at Iverson. He has played 10 seasons in Philadelphia and was only once given a good supporting cast(and he took them to the Finals). Iverson has come out game after game and given it all for Philadelphia and has not gotten a thing back. Even though the management is a mess he hasn't demanded a trade and he keeps going out every night and playing every game like it's his last even though the franchise has given him nothing in return. He is incredibly loyal to his team and deserves some help for once to get him their. C'mon no player in the league can take a team to the promise land by themselves no matter how much talent and heart they have.
For me, anyone whose a Maverick of course. But seriously I'm not going to sit here and distinguish what players don't deserve a ring. Every player in the NBA deserves one really(they all worked to get there in some fashion and want to win one), I don't care if their a 15th man or the best player on their team. To write off other players because their not talented enough to fit your criteria is biased and selfish. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I think that the only players that deserve to win championships, are the people who actually win them.</div> No offense ballerman but weren't you saying KG deserves a chance at a championship, possibly even over your own team?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ Nov 22 2006, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you, but try just wording the question different, "Which player would you like to see get a ring?"</div>thats more like it...stop arguing about whether ANYBODY deserves a ring..thats not what this thread was about...obviously you ahve to earn a ring but god just stay on topic
My list:1) Jason Kidd- Definately deserves one. he got robbed of an MVP trophy, brought a terrible team, made teammates look like stars (KENYON) and brought them to 2 Finals appearences. The triple double king, has shown loyalty to NJ, and probably top 3-5 PG of all time. 2) Allen Iverson- Shown major loyalty to Philly. Brought team to Finals, and has consistently been a top 5 player in league for many, many years now. I believe 4 30PPG+ seasons, has been at 7APG for past few seasons, few scoring titles, 9 straight years of over 2SPG, pours his heart and soul every time he steps on the court, and the guy has gotten better with age.After that you got your KG's, Pierce's, T-Mac's, etc... Buth those 2 stand out in my mind the most.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Nov 22 2006, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No offense ballerman but weren't you saying KG deserves a chance at a championship, possibly even over your own team?</div>you would have to quote me where I said that because I really dont remember saying that what so ever. If you are talking about the KG vs. Duncan thread, I dont remember saying anything along those lines.Saying who you would WANT to win a championship and who DESERVES to win a championship are two completley different things. I would like to see a guy like KG win a ring, but he is going to have to earn it to get it. If he wants to go to a team and become a roll player at the end of his career to get one, then that is fine. As long as he accepts his role and does so. That is the same with every NBA player IMO. Also, somebody up above was saying that players like Wayne Simien get a ring there second year in to the league or whatever and how he doesn't deserve it....But when you really think about it, he didnt contribute to the ring so how do you think HE feels about having that championship ring around his finger? He really didnt contribute for it so I personally doubt that he feels that accomplished about it anyways...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you would have to quote me where I said that because I really dont remember saying that what so ever. If you are talking about the KG vs. Duncan thread, I dont remember saying anything along those lines.</div> Nah it was in the time to trade Garnett thread. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Back to topic: KG definitely has to go. With the team he has right now, they arent getting in to the playoffs. They are all selfish players and dont know their roles on the team. I really want to see him get a ring, so he needs to go to a close to title contender, or a title contender obviously.</div> I honestly don't get the difference between saying you want someone to win a ring over saying someone deserves one. Like in this thread, if you say a players's name, it's obvious you 'want' them to win a championship. Same logic. With your quote, it's basically stating KG 'deserves' a shot at a championship.
Theres a difference. I want him to win a ring, but I think he has to earn it. I guess its just kinda crappy how his teammattes suck. Since he really doesn't have a chance at a ring in his situation, I would like him to go to a team where "he has a chance". That way he can compete for one and "earn" that ring. Like with Tim Duncan and the Spurs. He has good teammattes but he still has earned the 3 things that he has gotten and that is kinda what I want for KG.
That's what I don't get but in a way are you rooting for KG to get that ring even over the Spurs if need be?
If he honestly earns it over the Spurs, and the team that he is on beats the Spurs fair and square, then I wouldnt have any objections to it. Obviously, as a Spurs fan, I would like them to win it every year, but I know that is unrealistic. At this point, if any player was to get a ring, I would want it to be Garnett I supposse. But once again, he has to earn it. And if he was to beat the Spurs in a 7 game series, and he would go on to win the ring, that would be "earning" it in my opinion.
Im going to think outside the AI/KG thing and say Brand. I think they would burn all the Laker jerseys in LA if the Clippers won a championship.
I'll go with:NashPierceBrandGarnettIversonAll absolutely DESERVE one before they retire... Whether they get one or not is another story...
Okay forgive me, but I'm not going to read all 3 pages of this thread, so if I just say something someone else said, I'm sorry. On saying that, I'm agreeing with BCB on this and saying that no player deserves one, but has to earn it through hard work and effort. But I also agree with Celticballa on that some players have better chances at winning rings because of management and ownership working towards the same goal.
Allen Iverson, Jason Kidd and Kevin Garnett are the top three in my opinion, in that order.Also, I don't like the way the question was posed. I think Iverson and KG DESERVE BETTER in the sense that their respective organizations failed to really try to construct teams around them to give them a great shot at winning.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 23 2006, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dirk Nowitzki, Terry, Howard, Dampier, and Harris. And I ain't just being a homie. lol</div>We know you're not being a 'homie'
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 22 2006, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jermaine O'neal, definetley.And I ain't just being a homie.</div>The last post I read by you was saying that JO is a top defender in the league. Something tells me your lying, that you are a 'homie.'I'm on the same page as BCB. No player deserves a title unless they get there and were cheated out of it. Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson, and Kevin Garnett top out my list of players I'd love to see get a ring. But the day before they retire, they won't hand out trophies for trying hard. If you win, you win. I'd expect JKidd to go to a contender outside of New Jersey before he retires, like Gary Payton did.
Allen Iverson, Kevin Garnett, Jason Kidd, Chris Webber, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Grant Hill, and Steve Nash.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Thats a poor argument...I understand what your saying but nobody deserves a championship just because they were a great player. Just because I get all A's on my assignments in a semester doesn't mean I 'deserve' an A on my final exam. I have a hard time honestly saying some player deserves a championship...</div>You said a championship is something you earn, I was merely saying it's really not that simple. I don't think a player "deserves" a ring is a good phrase either, it's more which player that has paid his dues....or something like that.
Okay, now I'm not saying Iverson isn't a great player, hasn't been loyal to Philly, or trying to sell him short...But I don't think he 'deserves' a championship if only because I believe he's the type of player who can never win it.Never. Ever.Some guys dominate a game in such a way that they elevate their team to victory (D-Wade anyone? LeBron is also a good example).Then there are guys who dominate games and teams to the detriment of those teams, and Iverson is definitely one of those guys. He's a heck of a talent and one of the most skilled guys ever, but part of the reason his teams fail I think is due to the fact that Iverson himself is a talent that's hard to build around because he demands TOO much focus.If Andre Iguodala was on any other team I think he'd be playing better. But it's hard to thrive with Iverson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (falconman1130 @ Nov 26 2006, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay, now I'm not saying Iverson isn't a great player, hasn't been loyal to Philly, or trying to sell him short...But I don't think he 'deserves' a championship if only because I believe he's the type of player who can never win it.Never. Ever.Some guys dominate a game in such a way that they elevate their team to victory (D-Wade anyone? LeBron is also a good example).Then there are guys who dominate games and teams to the detriment of those teams, and Iverson is definitely one of those guys. He's a heck of a talent and one of the most skilled guys ever, but part of the reason his teams fail I think is due to the fact that Iverson himself is a talent that's hard to build around because he demands TOO much focus.If Andre Iguodala was on any other team I think he'd be playing better. But it's hard to thrive with Iverson.</div>Iverson isn't hard to build around... it's just that our GM is stupid and didn't decided to build upon the success we had in 2001. Instead of trying to build a team around him like we had in 2001, he decided to get rid of all those guys and put an offensive team around Iverson. Not going to work that way...And if Iguodala was on any other team he'd be playing better? Oh, yeah, sure! I mean, it's Iverson's fault that Dre hasn't developed an outside game, right? It's Iverson's fault that Webber is a slow piece of crap this season... and I guess Iverson has done absolutely nothing for Korver, Dalembert (who sucks, by the way) or Hunter, right?I still find it amazing how people keep believing that Iverson is "holding his team back" or that he is "hurting" them.
