Politics Who is the best Republican president between Donald Trump and Abraham Lincoln?

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  1. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Because it had the desired effect.
     
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    Wow! Where in the Constitution do you go to find support for preventing by force any state leaving the Union?
    History books say the war was started by the South Carolina firing on Fort Sumter. Well hell, that is an island in Charleston bay that Lincoln had US troop invade in South Carolina territory long after they had succeeded.

    Lincoln stands today as the worst leader in US history. The only President to crap all over the Constitution and lead the nation into civil war. I suppose the current Speaker of the house is trying her damnedest to go down in history with big marks in the book,
    but no one will top Lincoln's bloody mark. Not only the leading the nation into civil war, but the bloodiest war in US history by a wide margin.
     
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    True.
    They had the war won, but lost strategical. After getting Lincoln and his failing Generals on the ropes, the Northern Population disgruntled, they should have held their ground in the South rather than expend their forces in the North.
    I am afraid it was Robert E. Lees blunder, but I don't know, perhaps fools were pushing him. They could have beaten the North, just has Washington did the British, out last them. Lincoln was in trouble when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation,
    and Lee should have recognized the moment, by avoiding combat, offering no opportunity for victories.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I suspect if Lincoln had done what you wanted, let the south secede, then you'd be here today saying he was the worst leader in US history, he lost half the country!

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    MARIS61 Real American

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    Missed US History class every year you attended school? :dunno:

    620,000 Americans, men, women and children, were slaughtered, raped and tortured by their fellow Americans over the 4 long years of open warfare between the states. A full 2% of the entire population at the time (including slaves). For years afterward, they were robbed, raped, and burned in their homes or hung in their orchards by looters from the North.

    The American Civil War was fought because the North's corrupt politicians wanted to crush the South's economy to ensure their Deep State hold on power over the American populace. They couldn't do it through our balanced government with checks and balances, so they did it by using propaganda, lies, abuse of office, and finally force, much as the Deep State Dems are doing now. Lincoln (for his donors) wanted to decimate the South, and he did.

    A wiser, kinder, more creative President would have negotiated a peaceful transition, economically benefiting the Southern States by strengthening/modernizing their plantations while phasing out slavery, without slaughtering his political opponents and nearly everyone who voted against him. Trump would have averted the war, certainly.

    To this day, Americans in the South are less shackled than their Northern countrymen and continue to be happier, politer, friendlier and more genuine than the phony, arrogant, unhappy and rude assholes to the North.
     
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    MARIS61 Real American

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    Those were not the only choices available to him, had he been intelligent enough to recognize it.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    I dunno, the North had all the factories and had the South's backup supply lines from Europe cut off..the North also had far superior numbers as far as troops and they could have easily gotten more if they needed them...near the end, the South consisted of a whole lot of youngsters in their ranks.

    I think that if it came down to it, the North would have simply taken the other "arm from behind their back".
    Even though the South won some battles early in the war, the deck was grossly stacked against them from the beginning. Personally, I think the mistake the South made was boldly trying to invade the North instead of making "them damn Yankees" come to them and if that had happened it would have turned into guerrilla warfare, which might have given the South the advantage.
     
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    You are on your game tonight! This post has it all, anti-history, bigotry, Trump idolatry, conspiracy theories... Color me impressed.

    barfo
     
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    No, I was there, and unlike you, I didn't have to use crayons.

    I'm quite The Civil War buff...pay attention, you might even learn something and who knows, it may even help you to formulate your own opinion so that you can post your own words here instead of copy and pasting someone else's.
     
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    Well, some might, but I don't think it would be me. The rest of the world got through that mess without fighting the bloodiest damn war in their history. Slavery was failing on it's own lack of merit, a very unnatural economic system.
    I would venture that it would have come to an end in the Confederacy just as it did in the rest of the Western World. It seems the climate might have then been right for a reunion. Who knows? But we do know that it was the
    bloodiest war in US history, costing ten time the the chattel value of the slaves, and one American life for each three slaves freed. History sort of shows that time instead of war, could do far better. It did in all the rest of the western slave world.
    The US did not even have the majority of slaves that were freed in say a 30 year period. Just the greatest cost in doing so.
     
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    Exactly what I was saying. I think they had it within their reach. Leadership failed them.
     
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    Simple logic
    A is the most between A and B whenever A > B.
     
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    "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." -- George Orwell, 1984.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Funny thing is he was only off by a factor of two. He published 1984 in 1949.

    2019 is 70 years after publication; 1984 was 35 years.

    barfo
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    This is starkly reminded by by mainland China and Russia.
     
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    C'mon Marz...Blaming Lincoln for the Civil War and labeling him as "the worst leader ever" is not only logically unfair, it's also factually untrue. And though the slavery issue was part of the formula, it was by no means the only factor in the start of the Civil War.

    The ground work for the beginning of that war began many years before Lincoln was elected so you can't lay it all on him because the problems which had existed well before Lincoln took office were never addressed by earlier Presidents.


    The Civil War began in spite of Lincoln, not because of Lincoln.
     
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    ^^^Classic, simply classic.
     
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    Nope, the hive mind has spoken. Lincoln is now the worst president ever.
     
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