Who Is The Most Underated Defensive Player?

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  1. Mr.Wade

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    Did you read the post... I said that too. And I said no matter who's guarding him he'll still get his points, which is why he shoots a low %.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">
    Howard is kinda overrated, cause Dallas doesn't have much defenders, being the only defender is going to make you look good
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    Howard is far from overrated. He's under appreciated, even on his own team. And using the fact that Dallas lacks quality defenders overall is no kind of an argument against Howard. If anything, that only magnifies all he does becuase he's forced to do it with little help. Yeah, he didn't look great against McGrady in the playoffs, but the Mavs were focusing on stopping the guys around him, which they did, and it helped them win the series. I don't think any legit arument can be made that Howard is overrated. He's underrated, if anything.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">

    Someone mentioned Andre Iguodala as not getting enough praise outside of Sixer fans. That is not true at all, their's a reason they compared him to Pippen, not just because of his versatility, but also his defensive abilities. Iguodala is given props by many as a good defender, and a player who has great defensive potential.
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    I agree, people just don't be compared to Scottie everyday. Iguodala has some amazing defensive ability, and quite frankly he is being noticed around the NBA. He held Lebron, and Kobe down to poor nights on back to back nights, and if that doesn't get you noticed I don't see what would.

    Raja Bell is another underrated defender that I forgot to mention. When he was with the 76ers he was brought in just for his defensive ability, there was no reason to bring him into score, just to play defense. The league needs more players like that...
     
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    Loren Woods

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Got DWade?:</div><div class="quote_post">Loren Woods. He hustles every play, he's very lanky but despite his weight seems to get a bunch of rebounds, and imo he's not going to back down from a bigger player. He does all the little things on the court.</div>
    Wow! Woods must be the most underrated because I didn't even know he was in the league anymore.
     
  5. Mr.Wade

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    Loren Woods: for the full 5 minutes he touches the floor huh? I don't think he's underrated, because he doesn't play.

    I'll tell you who's an overrated defender, Kobe Bryant.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GiantMidget:</div><div class="quote_post">If everyones just going name off a player from their favorite team than Ill do the same.Its got to be Peja Stojakovic.Hes been labeled as one of the worst defenders in the league.In reality hes about average.</div>

    Peja is horrible, so is Bibby, Miller is not too good either!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Howard is far from overrated. He's under appreciated, even on his own team. And using the fact that Dallas lacks quality defenders overall is no kind of an argument against Howard. If anything, that only magnifies all he does becuase he's forced to do it with little help. Yeah, he didn't look great against McGrady in the playoffs, but the Mavs were focusing on stopping the guys around him, which they did, and it helped them win the series. I don't think any legit arument can be made that Howard is overrated. He's underrated, if anything.</div>

    Howard also played awful aganist Matrix (game6 [​IMG] ), JJ, and especially Nash. I loved when Howard was guarding Nash (not like anybody could stop him though). I do not think Howard was that great. And to say that the Mavs tried to stop Houston's cast may be fairly true but what did Yao (the softest player in the league) average aganist them again?!?! [​IMG]
     
  8. B.e.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">All while shooting an amazing 40% and 28% from the 3 point line! Now, I went over the line saying he shut A.I down, but Iversons' percentages weren't good at all. Even in the other playoff games, which means no matter what, he'll score in bunches because he's taking all the shots. Tyronn did his best, and was the only one who could slow him down. Stats don't tell the whole story now.</div>
    But stats do tell the story here, AI dominated the whole 00-01 season, he was MVP despite shooting at a low percentage all year. Tyron did do his best ok (and), but he didn't even slow him down. AI was his normal self he has always struggled with his shooting percentages, but he still gets the job done. Slowing a player down, is preventing him from his normal production. IN this case that only occured in one game.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Howard also played awful aganist Matrix (game6 [​IMG] ), JJ, and especially Nash. I loved when Howard was guarding Nash (not like anybody could stop him though). I do not think Howard was that great. And to say that the Mavs tried to stop Houston's cast may be fairly true but what did Yao (the softest player in the league) average aganist them again?!?! [​IMG]</div>
    Yao averaged about 21pts that series on 52% from the field. Pretty good for the "Softest player in the league" [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao averaged about 21pts that series on 52% from the field. Pretty good for the "Softest player in the league" [​IMG]</div>

    Did you read the post!? I said Yao had a pretty good series (still the softest player in the league)! [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Did you read the post!? I said Yao had a pretty good series (still the softest player in the league)! [​IMG]</div>
    What exactly is soft about 21pts a game? Actually, that's pretty solid to me.
     
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    If i was seven five like him i would get those points too. Yao just isn't aggressive on the rim. If you want to see aggressivness look at Amare Stoudemire.
     
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    Or Kenyon Martin, or even Allen Iverson.
     
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    Josh Howard and Cuttino.
     
  15. Mr.Wade

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">But stats do tell the story here, AI dominated the whole 00-01 season, he was MVP despite shooting at a low percentage all year. Tyron did do his best ok (and), but he didn't even slow him down. AI was his normal self he has always struggled with his shooting percentages, but he still gets the job done. Slowing a player down, is preventing him from his normal production. IN this case that only occured in one game.</div>

    My point exactly... since he was the MVP of that season how could ANYONE slow A.I down that year... he was unstoppable. I said he would get his points no matter who was gaurding him, and the shooting %s are always low.

    Did anyone stop Nash the MVP this year in the post season? Even the good defenders coulnd't stop him because he was the MVP and was unstopable.

    I'm not saying Lue is amazing, I'm saying he did a good job against A.I, or moderate. Having a sub par game 1 game. He still made A.I work for every basket if you watched the series.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">What exactly is soft about 21pts a game? Actually, that's pretty solid to me.</div>

    Solid yes. Yao has been a solid player for a long time. He has been in the league three years and I have not seen dramatic improvment. He does not seem to have that desire and yearning to win that other players have. Look at Amare, Shaq, KG. At 7'5-7'6 he should be dominating the Mavs in the playoffs, they are lacking froncourt defenders (Dampier [​IMG] )! Look at what Amare did in the next series aganist the Mavs. Yao is a good player, but that is all he will be! THE MAN IS SOFT!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Solid yes. Yao has been a solid player for a long time. He has been in the league three years and I have not seen dramatic improvment. He does not seem to have that desire and yearning to win that other players have. Look at Amare, Shaq, KG. At 7'5-7'6 he should be dominating the Mavs in the playoffs, they are lacking froncourt defenders (Dampier [​IMG] )! Look at what Amare did in the next series aganist the Mavs. Yao is a good player, but that is all he will be! THE MAN IS SOFT!</div> Gosh, I don't see Shawn Bradley putting up numbers against the Rockets. Out of Amare, KG, and Yao, I can honestly say, Yao is the only guy that can guard Shaq one on one. Who else in the history of the NBA, with Yao's height even put up number remotely within his range up to this point?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Solid yes. Yao has been a solid player for a long time. He has been in the league three years and I have not seen dramatic improvment. He does not seem to have that desire and yearning to win that other players have. Look at Amare, Shaq, KG. At 7'5-7'6 he should be dominating the Mavs in the playoffs, they are lacking froncourt defenders (Dampier [​IMG] )! Look at what Amare did in the next series aganist the Mavs. Yao is a good player, but that is all he will be! THE MAN IS SOFT!</div>
    Give the man a break. He's only 3 years in the league and you expect him to dominate like Shaq. Yes he's 7'5, but how many 7'5 guys in the history of the NBA can actually play like Yao. 18pts a game is solid, there is nothing "soft" about that. Amare had a GREAT season, but to say because Yao didn't put up the exact same numbers he isn't improving is crazy. You guys obviously watch to much sportscenter.
     
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    Andrei Kirilenko is way underrated, only if could stay healthy now.......
     
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    WTF he gets so much respect for his D, his O is what is underatted.
     

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