[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41323' date='Apr 17 2006, 09:32 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41320' date='Apr 17 2006, 08:20 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41143' date='Apr 16 2006, 12:17 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41135' date='Apr 16 2006, 10:37 AM']Wake ForestArkansasMississippiRichmondTennesseeExcuse me for not thinking of a team who's highlight Win of the year is beating Tennessee.... another sub-.500 team. That's more like the shitty beating the shitty. This is a team that lost to the Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders.With 3 minutes remaining, Cutler has the ball but can't drive down the field to beat the Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders. But why would he be able to? His 59.1 Completion percentage and 1 TD vs 1 INT ratio vs that stellar D of a team who finished with a sub-.500 record in the Sun Belt conference must have been tough.[/quote]Another person who clearly didnt watch the Middle Tennessee State game or spend more then 30 seconds researching it.Jay Cutler "Can't drive down the field to beat Middle Tennessee", right? He drove all the way down the field, from his own 1 yard line, yet his team lost because the kicker on Vanderbilt had his Field Goal Blocked. But It was Jay Cutler's fault he lost that game, right? I mean, he only went 7 for 9 passing for 62 yards with the game on the line, even though he was all the way back at his one yard line. [/quote]With 3 minutes he should have scored a TD, he obviously couldn't run the "2" minute offense properly.[/quote]It was a 2 point game, a Field Goal would have won the Game for Vanderbilt.Any coach in the NFL or NCAA would tell their Quarterback "Just get us in Field Goal range and We'll take it from there" and thats exactly what he did.Dont you think you are grasping at straws now to knock Cutler man? Give it a rest.[/quote]No, I'm not grasping at straws. Any QB worth a 1st round pick should be able to put a TD on the board in the clutch vs the "mighty" Blue Raiders in the final 3 minutes.And coaches not named Herm Edwards say "Get us into FG range, but get us a TD if you can."
Ok, lemme see if Im getting this straight?You are sitting here and knocking Jay Cutler because he put his team in position to WIN THE GAME by a Field Goal instead of a Touchdown.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 17 2006, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, lemme see if Im getting this straight?You are sitting here and knocking Jay Cutler because he put his team in position to WIN THE GAME by a Field Goal instead of a Touchdown. </div>Because a trained monkey could have done just as well.
the kicker is the goat...........not cutler. The main knock on cutler is going to be if his back is hurt or not. Because he fucking carried his team. Put cutler on Texas or USC and what happens...........he is the #1 pick prolly over bush. Knock this shit out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 17 2006, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 17 2006, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, lemme see if Im getting this straight?You are sitting here and knocking Jay Cutler because he put his team in position to WIN THE GAME by a Field Goal instead of a Touchdown. </div>Because a trained monkey could have done just as well.</div>Yeah, id love to see a trained monkey play quarterback in the NCAA Division 1A
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 18 2006, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 17 2006, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 17 2006, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, lemme see if Im getting this straight?You are sitting here and knocking Jay Cutler because he put his team in position to WIN THE GAME by a Field Goal instead of a Touchdown. </div>Because a trained monkey could have done just as well.</div>Yeah, id love to see a trained monkey play quarterback in the NCAA Division 1A </div>Don't fool yourself, that wasa D3 school he was playing, they're just displaced.
[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41543' date='Apr 18 2006, 09:23 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41527' date='Apr 18 2006, 08:04 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41511' date='Apr 17 2006, 10:10 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41497' date='Apr 17 2006, 09:08 PM']Ok, lemme see if Im getting this straight?You are sitting here and knocking Jay Cutler because he put his team in position to WIN THE GAME by a Field Goal instead of a Touchdown. [/quote]Because a trained monkey could have done just as well.[/quote]Yeah, id love to see a trained monkey play quarterback in the NCAA Division 1A [/quote]Don't fool yourself, that wasa D3 school he was playing, they're just displaced.[/quote]Don't fool yourself, Vanderbilt is a D3 school he was playing for, they're just displaced.
[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41545' date='Apr 18 2006, 10:40 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41543' date='Apr 18 2006, 09:23 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41527' date='Apr 18 2006, 08:04 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41511' date='Apr 17 2006, 10:10 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41497' date='Apr 17 2006, 09:08 PM']Ok, lemme see if Im getting this straight?You are sitting here and knocking Jay Cutler because he put his team in position to WIN THE GAME by a Field Goal instead of a Touchdown. [/quote]Because a trained monkey could have done just as well.[/quote]Yeah, id love to see a trained monkey play quarterback in the NCAA Division 1A [/quote]Don't fool yourself, that wasa D3 school he was playing, they're just displaced.[/quote]Don't fool yourself, Vanderbilt is a D3 school he was playing for, they're just displaced.[/quote]Exactly. And there is a reason that D3 QB's don't get drafted in the 1st round. Thank you for proving my point for me.
[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41551' date='Apr 18 2006, 10:57 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41545' date='Apr 18 2006, 10:40 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41543' date='Apr 18 2006, 09:23 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41527' date='Apr 18 2006, 08:04 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41511' date='Apr 17 2006, 10:10 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41497' date='Apr 17 2006, 09:08 PM']Ok, lemme see if Im getting this straight?You are sitting here and knocking Jay Cutler because he put his team in position to WIN THE GAME by a Field Goal instead of a Touchdown. [/quote]Because a trained monkey could have done just as well.[/quote]Yeah, id love to see a trained monkey play quarterback in the NCAA Division 1A [/quote]Don't fool yourself, that wasa D3 school he was playing, they're just displaced.[/quote]Don't fool yourself, Vanderbilt is a D3 school he was playing for, they're just displaced.[/quote]Exactly. And there is a reason that D3 QB's don't get drafted in the 1st round. Thank you for proving my point for me.[/quote]And a Division 1A Caliber QB cant play on a Division 3 Caliber Team and be somewhat successful (Playing above the expectations) in college and then be a Successful Pro? I guess Steve McNair or Terry Bradshaw never got that memo.
[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41557' date='Apr 18 2006, 12:03 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41551' date='Apr 18 2006, 10:57 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41545' date='Apr 18 2006, 10:40 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41543' date='Apr 18 2006, 09:23 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41527' date='Apr 18 2006, 08:04 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='41511' date='Apr 17 2006, 10:10 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='41497' date='Apr 17 2006, 09:08 PM']Ok, lemme see if Im getting this straight?You are sitting here and knocking Jay Cutler because he put his team in position to WIN THE GAME by a Field Goal instead of a Touchdown. [/quote]Because a trained monkey could have done just as well.[/quote]Yeah, id love to see a trained monkey play quarterback in the NCAA Division 1A [/quote]Don't fool yourself, that wasa D3 school he was playing, they're just displaced.[/quote]Don't fool yourself, Vanderbilt is a D3 school he was playing for, they're just displaced.[/quote]Exactly. And there is a reason that D3 QB's don't get drafted in the 1st round. Thank you for proving my point for me.[/quote]And a Division 1A Caliber QB cant play on a Division 3 Caliber Team and be somewhat successful (Playing above the expectations) in college and then be a Successful Pro? I guess Steve McNair or Terry Bradshaw never got that memo. [/quote]See, that's where you're wrong. Do you really think Charlie Whitehurst, Brodie Croyle, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, etc wouldn't have done any better than Cutler against those mighty mighty Blue Raiders?Players from weak schools who've turned into stud pro's worth of their 1st round picks dominated the inferior talent whilst in college despite their surroundings. Cutler just played like rest, not the best.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 18 2006, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>See, that's where you're wrong. Do you really think Charlie Whitehurst, Brodie Croyle, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, etc wouldn't have done any better than Cutler against those mighty mighty Blue Raiders?Players from weak schools who've turned into stud pro's worth of their 1st round picks dominated the inferior talent whilst in college despite their surroundings. Cutler just played like rest, not the best.</div>Quite possibly....but we'll never know. I dont think Whitehurst, Croyle, Leinart or Young however would have done drastically better leading Vanderbilts offense in a game against Middle Tennessee State if that is what you are asking. In terms of overall talent on both of the rosters, it is fairly similar. It is kinda unfair to ask Cutler to have a superman-like performance every single game. He led his team out there in not one of his best games, and left them in a position to win the game. What more do you want?Not to mention, Dont you think you are taking way too much stock in one game? In a game in 2003, Matt Leinart threw 21-39 (53.8%), 277 yds, 2 TD, 3 INT in a loss against California. I guess he must be a bust because he didnt lead his team down the field to win a game on that one particular day. Terry Bradshaw and John Elway both never played in a college bowl game. They hardly 'dominated' despite the inferior talent around them in college, but one thing that was true is that they were a man among boys, much like how Jay Cutler is considered now. Now im not saying that Cutler is going to even be on the same page as them when its all said and done, but I think he will be a very good Pro Quarterback for some team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 18 2006, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 18 2006, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>See, that's where you're wrong. Do you really think Charlie Whitehurst, Brodie Croyle, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, etc wouldn't have done any better than Cutler against those mighty mighty Blue Raiders?Players from weak schools who've turned into stud pro's worth of their 1st round picks dominated the inferior talent whilst in college despite their surroundings. Cutler just played like rest, not the best.</div>Quite possibly....but we'll never know. I dont think Whitehurst, Croyle, Leinart or Young however would have done drastically better leading Vanderbilts offense in a game against Middle Tennessee State if that is what you are asking. In terms of overall talent on both of the rosters, it is fairly similar. It is kinda unfair to ask Cutler to have a superman-like performance every single game. He led his team out there in not one of his best games, and left them in a position to win the game. What more do you want?Not to mention, Dont you think you are taking way too much stock in one game? In a game in 2003, Matt Leinart threw 21-39 (53.8%), 277 yds, 2 TD, 3 INT in a loss against California. I guess he must be a bust because he didnt lead his team down the field to win a game on that one particular day. Terry Bradshaw and John Elway both never played in a college bowl game. They hardly 'dominated' despite the inferior talent around them in college, but one thing that was true is that they were a man among boys, much like how Jay Cutler is considered now. Now im not saying that Cutler is going to even be on the same page as them when its all said and done, but I think he will be a very good Pro Quarterback for some team.</div>Cal is a legit school. You can't compare having a bad game vs Cal to having a horrific game vs Middle Tennessee.Bradshaw isn't a legit reference as A. he was a mediocre pro who wouldn't even be a somebody if his D didn't win him some rings. B. he played decades ago when defenses were simple and basic. And C. scouting was virtually non-existant. Completely different game.Elway led the nation in every passing catagory in college, playing in "The Big Game", finished 2nd in the Heisman voting, was the Pac-10 player of the year, and dominated his inferior oppnants despite playing for Stanford.
Elway dominated his inferior opponents despite losing more college games than he won.Sounds like Cutler a bit.Not saying Cutler will be Elway though...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 18 2006, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Elway dominated his inferior opponents despite losing more college games than he won.Sounds like Cutler a bit.Not saying Cutler will be Elway though...</div>Exactly.Id love to know who exactly John Elway 'dominanted' on route to a losing record. Not to mention the Stanford offense at the time is about the equivilant of the Texas Tech or Hawaii offenses now where any Quarterback you threw in that system would throw for a ton of yards and put up a ton of stats. Not trying to take anything away from Elway though as he developed into a great QB.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 18 2006, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 18 2006, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Elway dominated his inferior opponents despite losing more college games than he won.Sounds like Cutler a bit.Not saying Cutler will be Elway though...</div>Exactly.Id love to know who exactly John Elway 'dominanted' on route to a losing record. Not to mention the Stanford offense at the time is about the equivilant of the Texas Tech or Hawaii offenses now where any Quarterback you threw in that system would throw for a ton of yards and put up a ton of stats. Not trying to take anything away from Elway though as he developed into a great QB.</div>A QB can dominate and still lose. Putting up 45 points doesn't make you win if you;re defense gives up 50
I doubt Stanford played many games where they even put up 45 points and gave up 50 points (the giving up part may be quite possible)...that makes no sense, prove one game where Elway had 4/5 TDs in college and lost!
