<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 25 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I love how you make a big deal over a journyman in Maceo Baston and you trash everything the Nets have done. If you had drafted Sean Williams and signed Jamaal Magloire you Raptors fans would find plenty of positives in both. Sean Williams is 6'10" 230 PF/C, why does he need to have a perimeter game?</div>No we wouldnt. Ive never been high on jamaal magloire his whole career other than the fact I followed him because he was a torontonian. You guys make a big deal over a late first rounder in sean williams yet we cant make a big deal about getting the best 3pt shooter in the game who will get quality minutes and a player who is a proven hustler.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 25 2007, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bosh was being double-teamed.... Nice excuse.</div>Thats why we brought in Kapono, so teams will get hurt when they do double team bosh
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 25 2007, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys make a big deal over a late first rounder in sean williams yet we cant make a big deal about getting the best 3pt shooter in the game who will get quality minutes and a player who is a proven hustler.Thats why we brought in Kapono, so teams will get hurt when they do double team bosh </div>OK, and? Like Jason Kapono has ever been able to take over the game. He doesn't even create his own shot. He might make some big three-pointers during the season, but come on now, even if he has open looks. He's not God. There's not even a guarantee that he'll match that 51% he completed last year. And nobody is making a huge deal out of Williams; he probably won't even see enough time to have a great impact.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 25 2007, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys make a big deal over a late first rounder in sean williams yet we cant make a big deal about getting the best 3pt shooter in the game who will get quality minutes and a player who is a proven hustler.</div>It's much more reasonable to make a big deal over a late 1st rounder such as Sean Williams than it is to make a big deal over a guy like Maceo Bastan. I mean, is he even going to get playing time?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 25 2007, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No we wouldnt.</div> bullsh**, ugh, Raptors fans here. Only you guys would love the signing of Maceo Baston and then trash the signings of Magloire/Williams, but if the shoe were on the other foot, you would be acting you you were greatly improved by the signings of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 25 2007, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>bullsh**, ugh, Raptors fans here. Only you guys would love the signing of Maceo Baston and then trash the signings of Magloire/Williams, but if the shoe were on the other foot, you would be acting you were greatly improved by the signings of them.</div>Now I've seen a good bit of Baston and he has pretty good potential (was quite nice overseas) but I agree that that signing wasn't better than Magloire and Sean Williams. We don't even know if Baston can bring what he did overseas to the Raps.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 25 2007, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Now I've seen a good bit of Baston and he has pretty good potential (was quite nice overseas) but I agree that that signing wasn't better than Magloire and Sean Williams. We don't even know if Baston can bring what he did overseas to the Raps.</div>Potential? He's 31. If there is any there, it better come out fast...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 25 2007, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK, and? Like Jason Kapono has ever been able to take over the game. He doesn't even create his own shot. He might make some big three-pointers during the season, but come on now, even if he has open looks. He's not God. There's not even a guarantee that he'll match that 51% he completed last year. And nobody is making a huge deal out of Williams; he probably won't even see enough time to have a great impact.</div>He wont, but they wont double team Bosh again, its Kapono's speciality to drain kick outs and catch and shoots, exactly what the doctor ordered.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 25 2007, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No we wouldnt. Ive never been high on jamaal magloire his whole career other than the fact I followed him because he was a torontonian. You guys make a big deal over a late first rounder in sean williams yet we cant make a big deal about getting the best 3pt shooter in the game who will get quality minutes and a player who is a proven hustler.</div>Sean Williams talent-wise was a lottery pick. He fell because he was kicked off of Boston College because of off-court issues. As I said, Williams will bring in a Rodman type contribution. Not neccesarily at the same level as Rodman but his hustle and defense is a nice addition to the Nets.Also, Kapono is not the best three point shooter in the game. He shot a high percentage because he gets a ton of open shots. Wade and Shaq would both force double-teams creating easy rythem jumpers for Kapono.Btw, I like the word Torontonian. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Thats why we brought in Kapono, so teams will get hurt when they do double team bosh</div>Kapono is one three point shooter, he won't create the kind of impact that forces the defense to play honest with a guy like Bosh on the floor. He didn't do it last season with Shaq and Wade he won't do it this season with Bosh.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 25 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Potential? He's 31. If there is any there, it better come out fast...</div>Haha of course I mean quickly; he has the potential to be a good player in the NBA for the next 2-3 years. Gotta check him out
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 25 2007, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He wont, but they wont double team Bosh again, its Kapono's speciality to drain kick outs and catch and shoots, exactly what the doctor ordered.</div>Umm people won't stop double teaming Bosh just because big bad Kapono is there, they would just send another guy at Bosh that isn't covering Kapono. That's if we leave Kapono open and he continues to hit the shot. But he was in the same situation in Miami with people double teaming Shaq, and if he was so good I don't see why Miami would let him go.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jkidd51524 @ Jul 25 2007, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think that word "chemistry" is every raptor fans favorite word. Obviously it doesn't matter that much because we beat you guys in 6 without a starter. I would take our trio over yours any day. TJ Ford , Calderon, or anyone on that team had any answer for Kidd what so ever. The raptors took everyone by shock last year, this year people will be more prepared. The Nets are the better team. And because our team didnt play good in the beginning of the year with all of our guys, means we are bad? No, we always get off to slow starts in the last couple of seasons. If Nened didn't get hurt last year, that division was ours. And it will be this year again.</div>Well, chemistry is actually very important, because teams are going to underachieve if they can't work together well. And you guys beat us, but we played pretty horribly that series. Once again, usually if Bosh is being doubled that badly, we can kick it out to perimiter players for easy shots. But guys like Juan Dixon, Mo, and Garbajosa were missing easy shots, so we were screwed offensively, and no one could get it going..Wow, you guys have a better trio...so f*cking what...there are 12 players on a team, not 3...we have a better bench, easily...and alot more players that make an impact offensively.So teams didn't realize we were good when we had the 2nd best 2nd half out of any team in the East last year? I think they already knew we were good by that point, it doesn't mean that they could beat us suddenly because they knew we were a good team.Well, atleast explain why the Nets are a better team. It means that you guys don't work well together for the most part. Haha, a cocky Nets fan. Makes me laugh.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 25 2007, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>bullsh**, ugh, Raptors fans here. Only you guys would love the signing of Maceo Baston and then trash the signings of Magloire/Williams, but if the shoe were on the other foot, you would be acting you you were greatly improved by the signings of them.</div>The Nets already have a rebounder/ bad offensive player in Jason Collins. Do they really need another trash offensive big man on their team? It's really going to hurt their offense when they're both out there on the floor.Maceo Baston won't even play that much, so it doesn't make a big difference. But atleast it won't hurt the upset of the team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets already have a rebounder/ bad offensive player in Jason Collins. Do they really need another trash offensive big man on their team? It's really going to hurt their offense when they're both out there on the floor.</div> What the hell is your obsession with bringing up Magloire/Collins playing together? They won't play together often, and if they do, it will be in small doses. Jason Collins isn't a rebounder, he's a solid man defender like Clifford Robinson who doesn't rebound well or block shots. Nenad Krstic - Scorer Jason Collins - Man defender Jamaal Magloire - Rebounder Sean Williams - Shotblocking, defensive energy
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets already have a rebounder/ bad offensive player in Jason Collins. Do they really need another trash offensive big man on their team? It's really going to hurt their offense when they're both out there on the floor.</div>Both Magloire and Williams will be able to feed off of Kidd's passing just like Moore did last season. I wouldn't worry about Magloire's offensive production, it should be at least a solid 7 PPG. Also, the Nets have Kristic who will be able to contribute at least a solid 10 PPG. They don't really need Magloire or Williams to score alot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 25 2007, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What the hell is your obsession with bringing up Magloire/Collins playing together? They won't play together often, and if they do, it will be in small doses. Jason Collins isn't a rebounder, he's a solid man defender like Clifford Robinson who doesn't rebound well or block shots. Nenad Krstic - Scorer Jason Collins - Man defender Jamaal Magloire - Rebounder Sean Williams - Shotblocking, defensive energy</div>Well, the Nets don't need a ton of incapable offensive big men, because it is going to hurt them when they're both on the court...and one of the two will most likely always be on the court, so it's going to hurt their offense in my opinion.I'm just saying, it was a bad signing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 25 2007, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Both Magloire and Williams will be able to feed off of Kidd's passing just like Moore did last season. I wouldn't worry about either of their offensive production's, it should be at least a solid 7 PPG for Magloire. Also, the Nets have Kristic who will be able to contribute a solid 10 PPG. They don't really need Magloire or Williams to score alot.</div>Jason Collins hasn't really been able to benefit off of Kidd. It's no different with Magloire. You need offensive talent to score the basketball, no matter how good the PG is. Jason Kidd is not jesus, he's not going to find him for open dunks every time...Magloire is declining too. I can't believe I'm bashing on him though, he and Nash are the only Canadians in the NBA...Krstic...after that, all their big men are scrubs on offense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, chemistry is actually very important, because teams are going to underachieve if they can't work together well. And you guys beat us, but we played pretty horribly that series. Once again, usually if Bosh is being doubled that badly, we can kick it out to perimiter players for easy shots. But guys like Juan Dixon, Mo, and Garbajosa were missing easy shots, so we were screwed offensively, and no one could get it going..Wow, you guys have a better trio...so f*cking what...there are 12 players on a team, not 3...we have a better bench, easily...and alot more players that make an impact offensively.So teams didn't realize we were good when we had the 2nd best 2nd half out of any team in the East last year? I think they already knew we were good by that point, it doesn't mean that they could beat us suddenly because they knew we were a good team.Well, atleast explain why the Nets are a better team. It means that you guys don't work well together for the most part. Haha, a cocky Nets fan. Makes me laugh.</div>And we played so well in that series? Our top scorers in that series, most of the games, were Nachbar and Moore. Carter was very inconsistent, and so was Jefferson. Those are our top 2 scorers. Then our third scorer didn't even play in the series at all. So if you want to talk about your offense getting screwed up, please look at ours. And when Carter was on, we killed you guys (Game 3 for a example). With Nened back, we wont need carter to be that dominant. And I did explain why we were better, but I will again. Jason Kidd kicked your asses in every single game that was played. Calderon was very good in that series , and there is no way that is going to happen again. Your just keep looking at the negatives your guys had and totally dismiss what we had to go through.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, the Nets don't need a ton of incapable offensive big men, because it is going to hurt them when they're both on the court...and one of the two will most likely always be on the court, so it's going to hurt their offense in my opinion.I'm just saying, it was a bad signing.</div> I think your making too big of a deal out of it. Nenad Krstic is going to be getting most of the time and Magloire/Collins will be splitting time. I agree, bad signing, when your one of the worst rebounding teams in the league, it's not a good idea to sign a very good rebounder to a small contract.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Collins hasn't really been able to benefit off of Kidd. It's no different with Magloire. You need offensive talent to score the basketball, no matter how good the PG is. Jason Kidd is not jesus, he's not going to find him for open dunks every time...Magloire is declining too. I can't believe I'm bashing on him though, he and Nash are the only Canadians in the NBA...Krstic...after that, all their big men are scrubs on offense.</div>God couldn't help Jason Collins on offense. And we really don't need more scoring from our big men, look at the people we have now. Carter,Jefferson,Nened,Kidd,Marcus,Wright,and the few points added together from our big men. We are in good shape with our offense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Collins hasn't really been able to benefit off of Kidd. It's no different with Magloire. You need offensive talent to score the basketball, no matter how good the PG is. Jason Kidd is not jesus, he's not going to find him for open dunks every time...</div>Collins has never been relied on to score, I'm sure that Kidd will create for Magloire much more often than he did for Jason Collins. Also, a couple years ago, Magloire was scoring 13 PPG while playing along-side Baron Davis. I'm sure he'll be fine on the offensive end along-side Kidd.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Magloire is declining too. I can't believe I'm bashing on him though, he and Nash are the only Canadians in the NBA...Krstic...after that, all their big men are scrubs on offense.</div>Magloire's only 29, he's not going to start declining for a good 4 more seasons.Also, most of the Nets scoring comes out of their big three. They don't need 20 PPG in the post a night. Magloire and Kristic will be enough on offense.
