<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jkidd51524 @ Jul 25 2007, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And we played so well in that series? Our top scorers in that series, most of the games, were Nachbar and Moore. Carter was very inconsistent, and so was Jefferson. Those are our top 2 scorers. Then our third scorer didn't even play in the series at all. So if you want to talk about your offense getting screwed up, please look at ours. And when Carter was on, we killed you guys (Game 3 for a example). With Nened back, we wont need carter to be that dominant. And I did explain why we were better, but I will again. Jason Kidd kicked your asses in every single game that was played. Calderon was very good in that series , and there is no way that is going to happen again. Your just keep looking at the negatives your guys had and totally dismiss what we had to go through.</div>Jefferson and Kidd played very well, along with Moore and Nachbar...yes...who played well for us? Jose Calderon is the only one that I can think of...all of our players played badly that series.Calderon didn't really play above average for him. He's an amazing backup PG, and he gets it done passing wise and scoring wise. He's great at driving, and shooting mid range shots. Expect him to do that kind of damage the next time we meet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 25 2007, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Magloire's only 29, he's not going to start declining for a good 4 more seasons.</div> Jamaal Magloire to me, seems like a guy thats going to decline sooner rather than later.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jefferson and Kidd played very well, along with Moore and Nachbar...yes...who played well for us? Jose Calderon is the only one that I can think of...all of our players played badly that series.Calderon didn't really play above average for him. He's an amazing backup PG, and he gets it done passing wise and scoring wise. He's great at driving, and shooting mid range shots. Expect him to do that kind of damage the next time we meet.</div>Jefferson did not play the way us Nets are used to. You could tell he did not have that step in him and could not finish the way he could when hes healthy. Calderon was amazing when he played us, if he was that good there is no way he would be backing up Ford.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 25 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jamaal Magloire to me, seems like a guy thats going to decline sooner rather than later.</div>The last time Magloire was getting good minutes he was still contributing 10 PPG. He was never a great offensive player. This season he didn't get alot of minutes, I assume that's what is making CB4 think that he's declining.Unless a player has a recurring injury or drug problems, they usually won't start declining until at least 32.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jkidd51524 @ Jul 25 2007, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>God couldn't help Jason Collins on offense. And we really don't need more scoring from our big men, look at the people we have now. Carter,Jefferson,Nened,Kidd,Marcus,Wright,and the few points added together from our big men. We are in good shape with our offense.</div>Yes, but having absolutely terrible offensive big men playing almost 100% of the time will hurt you, because it will be like playing 4 v 5.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 25 2007, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The last time Magloire was getting good minutes he was still contributing 10 PPG. He was never a great offensive player. This season he didn't get alot of minutes, I assume that's what is making CB4 think that he's declining.Unless a player has a recurring injury or drug problems, they usually won't start declining until at least 32.</div>Wow, Samuel Dalembert also gets 10 ppg...is he also a good scorer? And Magloire won't get over 25 minutes or so with the Nets...He only got 10 a game because he was more athletic back then, and he got O-reb's
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but having absolutely terrible offensive big men playing almost 100% of the time will hurt you, because it will be like playing 4 v 5.</div>Jason Collins only plays like 20 MPG, he's the only one who won't be able to score easy buckets from Kidd's passing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 25 2007, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The last time Magloire was getting good minutes he was still contributing 10 PPG. He was never a great offensive player. This season he didn't get alot of minutes, I assume that's what is making CB4 think that he's declining.Unless a player has a recurring injury or drug problems, they usually won't start declining until at least 32.</div> Jamaal Magloire is pretty slow, has never had great stamina, to me, he's just one of these guys that poops out earlier than he should. (Like Glenn Robinson for example). I think Magloire is fine now, and will be for a couple more seasons, but I don't really see him in the league past his 35th birthday.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but having absolutely terrible offensive big men playing almost 100% of the time will hurt you, because it will be like playing 4 v 5.</div>What? No, it won't be like playing 4 vs. 5. Big men have certain roles. Collins is a defensive player and will help out on the defensive end. Just because he is an offensive liability does not make him a total liability. Ben Wallace was an offensive liability, so were the Pistons play 4 vs. 5 when they won the NBA Finals? No.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, Samuel Dalembert also gets 10 ppg...is he also a good scorer? And Magloire won't get over 25 minutes or so with the Nets...He only got 10 a game because he was more athletic back then, and he got O-reb's</div> Jamaal Magloire regularly put up 10ppg with the Bucks in 2005, he can still do it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but having absolutely terrible offensive big men playing almost 100% of the time will hurt you, because it will be like playing 4 v 5.</div>He won't be out there most of the time if we are playing a team without a big guy like Shaq or Howard. And he usually gets in foul trouble , so he won't be out there most of the time. Plus just because he can't score dosn't put us in a 4 on 5 disadvantage. He is a OK passer. Kidd isn't a great scorer, but he is very good on offense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jkidd51524 @ Jul 25 2007, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He won't be out there most of the time if we are playing a team without a big guy like Shaq or Howard. And he usually gets in foul trouble , so he won't be out there most of the time. Plus just because he can't score dosn't put us in a 4 on 5 disadvantage. He is a OK passer. Kidd isn't a great scorer, but he is very good on offense.</div>Yeah, but after Collins, you have Magloire, who couldn't create buckets for himself if he played on 3 foot high stilts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 25 2007, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jamaal Magloire is pretty slow, has never had great stamina, to me, he's just one of these guys that poops out earlier than he should. (Like Glenn Robinson for example).</div>When do you think that Magloire will start declining? He should still be able to contribute a good amount with the Nets for the next 2 seasons.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, Samuel Dalembert also gets 10 ppg...is he also a good scorer? And Magloire won't get over 25 minutes or so with the Nets...He only got 10 a game because he was more athletic back then, and he got O-reb's</div>I never said Magloire was a good offensive player, he's not however the offensive disaster you're making him out to be.Magloire's athletecism hasn't really taken a huge drop since 05-06.Also, you can't take away from a player scoring 10 PPG because of offensive rebounds. Alot of big-men score because of them. It's still an offensive contribution.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 25 2007, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When do you think that Magloire will start declining? He should still be able to contribute a good amount with the Nets for the next 2 seasons.I never said Magloire was a good offensive player, he's not however the offensive disaster you're making him out to be.Magloire's athletecism hasn't really taken a huge drop since 05-06.Also, you can't take away from a player scoring 10 PPG because of offensive rebounds. Alot of big-men score because of them. It's still an offensive contribution.</div>I was talking about his days with the Hornets..those were his prime years. It's not a contribution on the initial offensive posession...and it will only happen 1 or 2 times a game...out of how many offensive posessions where he'll contribute nothing?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was talking about his days with the Hornets..those were his prime years. It's not a contribution on the initial offensive posession...and it will only happen 1 or 2 times a game...out of how many offensive posessions where he'll contribute nothing?</div>No one expects Jamaal Magloire to be an offensive option, he'll be scoring off of Kidd's passing as I said before. Also, he was still contributing the same production with the Bucks 2 seasons ago. We have to watch him on New Jersey before we can make an assumption on how close he is to his decline.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but after Collins, you have Magloire, who couldn't create buckets for himself if he played on 3 foot high stilts.</div> Who cares? The Nets don't have an offensive threat after Krstic, I just don't see the big deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but having absolutely terrible offensive big men playing almost 100% of the time will hurt you, because it will be like playing 4 v 5.</div>And why does that matter in the Eastern Conference? Hell, you surely don't need every single player in the lineup scoring for you. If that was the case, the Spurs wouldn't have the rings they have now. They haven't had a good scoring center to play alongside Duncan since David Robinson...not to mention Bruce Bowen isn't the best on offense either.
raptors are better.nets players are awfully oldhere is the thingwhile nets may have added sean williams and magloire,nets good players are around 30 or soso while time goes by, nets get a bit worse due to age but im not saying carter is any worse from last season because hes not that oldraptors on the other hand, had young players last season and not only that but they made so many transactions and had a team that had barely played any games together made the playoffs shocked everybody and were pretty close to beating the nets in the playoffs. and raptors players are very young so as time goes by, the raptors players get BETTER.nets get worse.and ALSOu guys are making a big deal out of your new acquired players but dont forget we got the leagues best 3 point shooter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junot111 @ Jul 25 2007, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>raptors are better.nets players are awfully old</div> The only real 'old' person in the Nets rotation is Jason Kidd and he's still very productive. Kind of a dumb thing to say.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 25 2007, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What? No, it won't be like playing 4 vs. 5. Big men have certain roles. Collins is a defensive player and will help out on the defensive end. Just because he is an offensive liability does not make him a total liability. Ben Wallace was an offensive liability, so were the Pistons play 4 vs. 5 when they won the NBA Finals? No.</div>Well, on defense Collins is obviously very good, and so is Ben Wallace. But because they aren't offensive options at all, it kind of worsens the offense and post players can slide over just slightly to double team a bit.
