Who will be out there in free agency for backup PF/C?

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  1. glazeduck

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    Obviously it depends on how the CBA shakes out, but - and this is a serious question that may, or may not answer yours - how many teams expected to be under the salary cap will seriously influence our odds of being able to provide a competitive offer to a big man...
     
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    One thing this thread seems to illustrate, is, that there may be a lot more adequate/good backup PF's available than backup PG's, which might help explain why Blazers took Smith.
     
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    as far as a C goes, I'm actually more interested in next summer as we have the "potential" to be WAY under the cap if there is an amnesty clause that allows ROY to be gone with no cap implications. If I'm the Blazeras I try to plug some holes in what will likely be a strike shortened season, and see what gives next summer.

    Anyone know the FA "center" or PF/C list for summer of 2012?

    OK, did a little research - UFA Centers for 2012 which would garner any interest are Dwight-Bynum-Kamam-Okur
     
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    And Oden, depending on what happens, both contract-wise and performance-wise, this year.
     
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    lol yeah, I thought Oden was obvious
     
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    funny I could of sworn I heard Chad B say 8
     
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    Matt Steinmentz says Portland one of a few teams (Houston the only other one listed) inquiring about Andris Biedrins...
     
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    Interesting. Are the Warriors ready to let Ekpe Udoh start at C?
     
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    He started the last couple months of last season and the team was much, much better with him on the court. Ultimately hes really more of a PF though he'd be a fine 3rd big on a good team. Udoh said he planned on adding weight all summer but I haven't heard any updates on that. I do believe the Warriors will go after a big starting C this offseason though and play Udoh as that 4/5 off the bench. If they don't get a new C and are stuck with Udoh/Beans then UDoh is really the guy who earned the job last season. That said, they wouldn't want to wreck Biedrins' value so they may just start him but play him fewer minutes.
     
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    The last two seasons he put up a 12.6-PER. The epitome of 'meh'.

    What are the Warriors looking for in return?
     
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    Pretty much what Pinwheel said. We'd like him gone. But we do need a C to fill in for him. Hes a potential target for amnesty but its sort of up in the air because there has been some trade interest. Why amnesty him and his ~30 mil over 3 years when you could just trade for Thabeet + Hill (both expiring) and amnesty one of them and save 25 mil?

    I'd definitely move him for Camby. I'd move him for expiring contracts or any decent prospects. We would have an even bigger hole at C though so I'm not sure it solves anything. After all we could just keep him and as the years dwindle down he'll gain trade value. Hes still only like 24 years old and used to be a double double machine. Hes had "confidence issues" and there's even rumors he may be struggling with alcoholism but I'm not sure there's anything substantial to that. Anyway he'd be fine if he got back to being a top 5 player in rebound rate and FG% like he was for a couple years. Something happened to him mentally though and hes dealt with a lot of injuries the last few seasons.
     
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    Why do several posters keep talking about making "toxic offers" to other team's free agents?

    The Blazers are above the current cap. They have no cap space to make an offer to any good free agents.

    Am I missing something here?

    We either sign minimum salary players. Or use whatever version of the MLE that survives into the new CBA (and note the NBA wants it eliminated). Or make a trade.
     
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    Yes, you are missing something.

    I am not a cap guy, so I will try to explain this the best I can.

    A 'toxic offer" is what we offered Wes Matthews. Extremely front loaded, with guaranteed money due right away. A lot financially strapped or financially conscience teams don't like those because it hinders them financially.
     
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    I heard the rumor of Thabeet + Hill for Biedrins, and also that the Warriors turned it down. I find both to be implausible, unless Thabeet/Hill are less than worthless or lockerroom cancers, because Biedrins's game has just gone in the toilet, and he was overpaid for when it wasn't. (Really, he's just Louis Amundson with a longer neck and a total inability to hit free throws.) If the offer is genuine, then I say "three-way it" - the Warriors get Camby and we get Thabeet and Hill.
     
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    beans used to draw about 4 fta a game...he shot 56 free throws the last 2 years combined in 92 games...thats almost impossible for a big man, not to mention...he made 14 of them...

    14/56 in the last 2 years...
    year before that he shot 119 for 216 good for 55 percent or so

    he is fucking terrified of getting fouled, and doesnt shoot from outside, bad combination

    his game has fell completely off the map, if he goes back to getting 12/11/ with a 1.5 blocks and a steal, with a 19 PER, hes a bargain at 10 million
     
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    I agree that Biedrins' game has gone into the toilet, but not that he was overpaid prior to that. He was extremely productive, a very good defensive presence and still so young that significant improvement should have been expected. Something really changed the trajectory of his career, though.

    If he can be had for essentially salary relief, I'd consider it. I think it's a long-shot that he'll ever be what he used to be, but he hasn't (that I recall) suffered career-altering injury, so it's possible that he can be "fixed." The concern with shipping Camby for him is that Oden won't be available for at least the first couple of months of the season, so do we really want Biedrins as the team's starting center? As it stands now, I sure don't. And if Oden doesn't return healthy and stay healthy, Biedrins will be the team's only center all season (barring a trade, but acquiring a solid starting center isn't easy).
     
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    I still don't think so:

    1) I said "good" free agent. Wes Matthews was not considered a plum free agent last summer. That is why he could be "stolen" by overpaying. Sorry. Truth. In this thread names like Nene were been thrown around. Please.

    2) Bigs get paid more than guards. Usually a LOT more. You can't steal a big from another team that is worth a damn with an MLE offer. Old guy. Stiff. Yes. Good player. No.

    3) As I said in my previous post, the MLE is dead man walking. The NBA has proposed eliminating it entirely. Sure, could be a negotiating position, but many owners hate the Wes Matthews type of deals. If the MLE even survives, it will be tightened up. The NBA has stated they want to make it easier for teams to retain players they want to keep and still be able to stay within the cap.
     
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