<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Flames:</div><div class="quote_post">your dumb the heat only have 1 good young player(Wade) and 2 washed up old players way pass their prime Shaq and Eddie Jones even though Shaq and Eddie House past their prime is good but not good enough to be the best team I mean you didn't even put the Magic or the Pacers ahead of them so by that i conclude that you are the stupidest person on this site.</div> Ya I totally agree with you, I am the dumbest person on this site, just because I think the Heat are better than The Magic Shaq is still a top 3 player in the league even at his age. So you think Shaq sucks? O yeah I forgot your also the one who said the Heat won't make the play offs. Pacers and Heat are hard to compare and the Pacers may be arguably better , but I think the Heat are probably because im a little biased. Also who the hell is Eddie House and your calling me stupid?? The Heat arn't even my favorite team either their probably my 2nd. Also I don't think that I'm the stupidest person on this site because I didn't bet my friend $100 that the Suns win it all so I guess that just makes me 2nd. I can't wait until this seasons over so I can laugh at you. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> Trench always seems to love to talk, talk, talk and then I post something, make him look like an idiot and he dosen't respond. Yes maybe I am a little biased but you are as well. Please respond to the other posts that I am waiting you to respond to. I really don't feel about talking to you about the Suns again. I have told you numerous times what my feelings on the Susn are. You know very little about the Suns. Also you guys are better then us at one position maybe two. Also just becsuse your starting lineup is good it does not mean that your team is going to be good. Who is good off your bench? Also Q will come off our bench and he is better then any 6th man the Heat have. I am going to name 6 teams in the West that are better then the Heat not including the Suns. 1. S.A. 2. Kings 3. Mavericks 4. Memphis 5. Denver 6. Houston Watch your tongue man. The Heat may not even be one of the top 5 teams in the East. Please I've told you many times why I beleive the Susn are better. Respond to this post and some of our other posts (arguements) on why the Heat are Soooooooooo much better then the Suns. 5th best team in the NBA???!!??!?!?! </div> Wtf is this? When did you post something to argue me? S you make me look like an Idiot? Are you the same idiot who said Heat arn't going to make the play offs or was that Flames? Your post are both so stupid It's hard to tell them apart. Also I would like you to show me a post I did'nt respond to. I can't be on all day either Im on at night a lot though. We have Rasual Butler, Dorrel Wright, Kenyon Dooling, etc all comeing off the bench. I would like to see you name one sun other than Q who is actually decent coming off the bench. You can't? Just what I thought. They had one of the worst record in the league last year and adding Q, and Steve NAsh might make them actually make the playoffs, but it'll be hard for them. Hers you list of teams better than the Heat Spurs- the only one I agree with you that is better. Kings- choke artist like Peja in the play offs and their leading scorer who cant creat his own shot. On on here can even stop Shaq? Mavericks- theres a laugh. The Mavericks will be contending for an 8th Seed, and their loss of Nash screwed them. They still need a center. Grizzlies: Alll they have is a better coach, and role players. Shaq can easily bull doze them and create double teams so he can pass to an open man and shoot a 3 since Shaq is surrounded by perimeter sooters incase you didn't know which you didn't. Nuggets- A good challenge, but how far can Carmelo actually take this team. PErimeter shooting can kill this team. Rockets- Shaq and Dwyane > T-Mac and Yao. Shaq>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yao Wade<T-Mac THe chemistry between Shaq and Wade will be good as Wade is a team player, and T-Mac is out to win a scoring title. Also the Heat have more depth. The Rockets have Jim JAckson, Bob Sura and who else? Juwan Howard? Pffffffffft Also you forgot the T-wolves who are the only West team besides the Spurs who are better than the Heat. The Heat are a top 5 team in the league. Just wait pathetic fanboy. Also who in the East is better than the Heat? The Pistons and PAcers(arguable) and who else? The Orlando MAgic? Go learn some stuff and maybe you come back making more sense. I'm also pretty sure more people on this site agree with me rather than you and Flames.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ace2k2:</div><div class="quote_post">Ya I totally agree with you, I am the dumbest person on this site, just because I think the Heat are better than The Magic Shaq is still a top 3 player in the league even at his age. So you think Shaq sucks? O yeah I forgot your also the one who said the Heat won't make the play offs. Pacers and Heat are hard to compare and the Pacers may be arguably better , but I think the Heat are probably because im a little biased. Also who the hell is Eddie House and your calling me stupid?? The Heat arn't even my favorite team either their probably my 2nd. Also I don't think that I'm the stupidest person on this site because I didn't bet my friend $100 that the Suns win it all so I guess that just makes me 2nd. I can't wait until this seasons over so I can laugh at you. Wtf is this? When did you post something to argue me? S you make me look like an Idiot? Are you the same idiot who said Heat arn't going to make the play offs or was that Flames? Your post are both so stupid It's hard to tell them apart. Also I would like you to show me a post I did'nt respond to. I can't be on all day either Im on at night a lot though. We have Rasual Butler, Dorrel Wright, Kenyon Dooling, etc all comeing off the bench. I would like to see you name one sun other than Q who is actually decent coming off the bench. You can't? Just what I thought. They had one of the worst record in the league last year and adding Q, and Steve NAsh might make them actually make the playoffs, but it'll be hard for them. Hers you list of teams better than the Heat Spurs- the only one I agree with you that is better. Kings- choke artist like Peja in the play offs and their leading scorer who cant creat his own shot. On on here can even stop Shaq? Mavericks- theres a laugh. The Mavericks will be contending for an 8th Seed, and their loss of Nash screwed them. They still need a center. Grizzlies: Alll they have is a better coach, and role players. Shaq can easily bull doze them and create double teams so he can pass to an open man and shoot a 3 since Shaq is surrounded by perimeter sooters incase you didn't know which you didn't. Nuggets- A good challenge, but how far can Carmelo actually take this team. PErimeter shooting can kill this team. Rockets- Shaq and Dwyane > T-Mac and Yao. Shaq>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yao Wade<T-Mac THe chemistry between Shaq and Wade will be good as Wade is a team player, and T-Mac is out to win a scoring title. Also the Heat have more depth. The Rockets have Jim JAckson, Bob Sura and who else? Juwan Howard? Pffffffffft Also you forgot the T-wolves who are the only West team besides the Spurs who are better than the Heat. The Heat are a top 5 team in the league. Just wait pathetic fanboy. Also who in the East is better than the Heat? The Pistons and PAcers(arguable) and who else? The Orlando MAgic? Go learn some stuff and maybe you come back making more sense. I'm also pretty sure more people on this site agree with me rather than you and Flames.</div> How in any way did I agree with Flames. I realize what he had to say was a longshot and I stated that. I hope it happens so Flames can laugh at some people. The man voiced his opinion and everyone crucified him. Also here is one place where I posted- Phoenix: a run for the trophy? I've been waiting for a response for days. No I never said the Heat were not going to make the Plyoffs. Calm down, your wrong. Also if you are in tune with NBA ball the Mavs have all completed a deal with the Warriors that gives the Mavs Eric Dampier. You say knowonw on the Kings can stop Shaq. Who can??? It's not about stoping Shaq, it's about contaning him but most importantly keeping his teammates at bay (Pistons in the Finals). Let me tell you D. Wade is a solid player not a superstar. He Averaged a little under 17 ppg last year. He is just like a JJ, a future star in the league. D Wade is no better then JJ though. Eddie Jones is also a player of the past, a good player don't get me wrong but knowwhere near Q, JJ, Matrix. Also I was wondering who your PF was because Amare will Murder him. Also who plays SF for your team. We have a glaring need at the 5 and Shaq will most denitly have a field day but I don't really see any of your other players on the Heat being better. Your bench is knowhere near the Suns bench. R. Butler is like Casey and they have very similar numbers. Keyon Doolings numbers match up favoribly with Leandro Barbosa's who is regarded by many as a future star in the league (There is a topic in this forum right now on him). D. Wright is a rookie in this league who has proven nothing. Zarko C. will have a better year then he will. Do you guys have anyone on the bench who averaged half as many points as Q last year. Q averaged 17 ppg and over 6rpg. Please do not say you have a better bench. Also please do not say the Heat are better then the Kings. With the addition of Damp i can't see the Heat better then the Mavs. Yao and T-mac are a better team with better platers. No Question. Tell me something those three Rockets role players you named seem better to me then your role players. Which role players of yours are so special??? Also thank you for adding the T-Wolves. I didnt really need to add everyone in the West but I certainly will if you wish. I said they may not be one of the top 5 teams in the East. THey may not be. Did I ever say I didn't believe they would be. NO. I think they will be but you never know. Shaq isn't really known for playing all 82 games. Also please do not associate me with flames. Even though I like what he brings to the forum I do not wish to be associated with him. His views are differant from mine. I still find it hard to see the Heat as the a top 5 team. Maybe top 10-15 but not 5?!?!?! GO SUNS
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">How in any way did I agree with Flames. </div> You fight for the same cause saying the Suns are going to win it all. [/Quote] The Heat are easily going to win it all[/QUOTE] Seems like agreeing with Flames to me as he said something very similar including that stupid $100 dollar bet they win it ll. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Also here is one place where I posted- Phoenix: a run for the trophy? I've been waiting for a response for days. </div> I am soory, but I only go to the threads where there is a lot of posting. But I will gladly arugue with you here if you'd like. Is there any where eles you mentioned I didn't comment a couple of times. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> Also if you are in tune with NBA ball the Mavs have all completed a deal with the Warriors that gives the Mavs Eric Dampier. </div> The deal is not final and until it is Dampier is not on the Team. Maybe you'd even want to see the Dallas Roster? Here it is. http://www.nba.com/mavericks/roster/ I do not see Dampier any where on that list so that point is useless. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> You say knowonw on the Kings can stop Shaq. Who can??? It's not about stoping Shaq, it's about contaning him but most importantly keeping his teammates at bay (Pistons in the Finals). Let me tell you D. Wade is a solid player not a superstar. He Averaged a little under 17 ppg last year. He is just like a JJ, a future star in the league. D Wade is no better then JJ though. </div> First of all in the FInals against the Pistons Shaq had a selfish person named KObe Bryant(matybe you've heard of him) be a selfish person( for a nicer word) and just jack up shots. Wade wouldn't do that. Wade would feed the ball to Shaq where they would be more likely to win. Wade will be a much bigger star and IS better than JJ. Wade will be a superstar. JJ will be a all-star. Theres a difference. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> Eddie Jones is also a player of the past, a good player don't get me wrong but knowwhere near Q, JJ, Matrix.</div> Actually the present Eddie Jones is very comparible to JJ and Q. Maybe not Marion but thats why Eddie isn't our best player. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> Also I was wondering who your PF was because Amare will Murder him. </div> As of now our PF is Udoins Haslem, and it is our weakest positiaon. But Udonis Haslem can average a double double if he starts and is a good role playyer. Im sure Shaq will end up murdering your center even more though . <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> Also who plays SF for your team.</div> Wesley PErson one of the best 3 point shooters ever and another role player for our team. A Great perimeter shooter and will get many open looks with Shaq drawing double teams. So maybe you should "stay on top of the NBA more" sound familar? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">We have a glaring need at the 5 and Shaq will most denitly have a field day but I don't really see any of your other players on the Heat being better. </div> Yes he will indeed have a field day and I'll be looking forward to it. Wade and JOnes will also step up. Also they're role players will help too. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Your bench is knowhere near the Suns bench. R. Butler is like Casey and they have very similar numbers. Keyon Doolings numbers match up favoribly with Leandro Barbosa's who is regarded by many as a future star in the league (There is a topic in this forum right now on him). D. Wright is a rookie in this league who has proven nothing. Zarko C. will have a better year then he will. Do you guys have anyone on the bench who averaged half as many points as Q last year. </div> We may not but do you even expect Q to average what he did last year? Hes on a team with 5 stars. They're the New Mavericks/Kings. A TEam full of stars that never goes anywhere. While the Heat have 2 stars surrounded with role players. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Q averaged 17 ppg and over 6rpg. </div> Like I said earlier I dont expect Q to average nearly that much. HEs on a team with 5 stars. Hes no longer one of the main options. He will be lucky to average 12 PPG this year. Suns are stupid to pick him up. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> Also please do not say the Heat are better then the Kings. With the addition of Damp i can't see the Heat better then the Mavs. Yao and T-mac are a better team with better platers. . Tell me something those three Rockets role players you named seem better to me then your role players. </div> Why can't I say the Heat are better than the Kings? They are. The Mavs don't even HAVE DAmp yet. And when they do the Heat can still win. Heat Roleplayers DAmon Jones(you see his performance against the Pistons these playoffs? Prolly not a very underrated PG ) Udonis Haslem(capable of averaging a double double) Wesley PErson(greta 3 pt shooter) Kenyon Dooling( great back up PG) Rasual Butler(47 3 PT % aint for nothing.) Dorrel wright(bright future( Those are the ones worth mentioning. Also Juwan Howard is a lazy bum whos a cancer who just wants the ball, Jim JAckson is good though, and Bob Sura one of the best pure PGs in the league. Only Jim JAckson and Bob Sura are good at all. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Which role players of yours are so special??? </div> OMFG You KEep repeating yourself but W/E ill say it again to allow it to sink in your mind. Heat Roleplayers DAmon Jones(you see his performance against the Pistons these playoffs? Prolly not a very underrated PG ) Udonis Haslem(capable of averaging a double double) Wesley PErson(greta 3 pt shooter) Kenyon Dooling( great back up PG) Rasual Butler(47 3 PT % aint for nothing.) Dorrel wright(bright future( Those are the ones worth mentioning. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Also thank you for adding the T-Wolves. </div> Your Welcome <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> I said they may not be one of the top 5 teams in the East. THey may not be. Did I ever say I didn't believe they would be.</div> Yes you did. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> Heat will not be a top 5 team in the East .</div> See? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> Also please do not associate me with flames. Even though I like what he brings to the forum I do not wish to be associated with him. His views are differant from mine. I still find it hard to see the Heat as the a top 5 team. Maybe top 10-15 but not 5?!?!?! GO SUNS</div> Your arguments are basically the same. Heat just maybe a top 15 team? THe Suns arnt even a top 15 team. Here how I see it. 1. Spurs 2. Pistons 3. T-Wolves 4.Pacers 5.Heat 6.Kings 7.Nuggets 8.Rockets 9.Lakers 10. Jazz 11.MAvericks 12. Grizzlies 13. Trail Blazers 14. Sixers 15. Hornets I believe all of those teams are better than the suns Just because you add Steve Nash and Q doesn't mean you go from 29-52 to a championship. Now if it was Timmy and Shaq or something ya I can see it. P.S You repaeted yourself like 5 times just to make your post look long , and I think I had to repeat myself many times.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ace2k2:</div><div class="quote_post">You fight for the same cause saying the Suns are going to win it all. </div> The Heat are easily going to win it all[/QUOTE] Seems like agreeing with Flames to me as he said something very similar including that stupid $100 dollar bet they win it ll. I am soory, but I only go to the threads where there is a lot of posting. But I will gladly arugue with you here if you'd like. Is there any where eles you mentioned I didn't comment a couple of times. The deal is not final and until it is Dampier is not on the Team. Maybe you'd even want to see the Dallas Roster? Here it is. http://www.nba.com/mavericks/roster/ I do not see Dampier any where on that list so that point is useless. First of all in the FInals against the Pistons Shaq had a selfish person named KObe Bryant(matybe you've heard of him) be a selfish person( for a nicer word) and just jack up shots. Wade wouldn't do that. Wade would feed the ball to Shaq where they would be more likely to win. Wade will be a much bigger star and IS better than JJ. Wade will be a superstar. JJ will be a all-star. Theres a difference. Actually the present Eddie Jones is very comparible to JJ and Q. Maybe not Marion but thats why Eddie isn't our best player. As of now our PF is Udoins Haslem, and it is our weakest positiaon. But Udonis Haslem can average a double double if he starts and is a good role playyer. Im sure Shaq will end up murdering your center even more though . Wesley PErson one of the best 3 point shooters ever and another role player for our team. A Great perimeter shooter and will get many open looks with Shaq drawing double teams. So maybe you should "stay on top of the NBA more" sound familar? Yes he will indeed have a field day and I'll be looking forward to it. Wade and JOnes will also step up. Also they're role players will help too. We may not but do you even expect Q to average what he did last year? Hes on a team with 5 stars. They're the New Mavericks/Kings. A TEam full of stars that never goes anywhere. While the Heat have 2 stars surrounded with role players. Like I said earlier I dont expect Q to average nearly that much. HEs on a team with 5 stars. Hes no longer one of the main options. He will be lucky to average 12 PPG this year. Suns are stupid to pick him up. Why can't I say the Heat are better than the Kings? They are. The Mavs don't even HAVE DAmp yet. And when they do the Heat can still win. Heat Roleplayers DAmon Jones(you see his performance against the Pistons these playoffs? Prolly not a very underrated PG ) Udonis Haslem(capable of averaging a double double) Wesley PErson(greta 3 pt shooter) Kenyon Dooling( great back up PG) Rasual Butler(47 3 PT % aint for nothing.) Dorrel wright(bright future( Those are the ones worth mentioning. Also Juwan Howard is a lazy bum whos a cancer who just wants the ball, Jim JAckson is good though, and Bob Sura one of the best pure PGs in the league. Only Jim JAckson and Bob Sura are good at all. OMFG You KEep repeating yourself but W/E ill say it again to allow it to sink in your mind. Heat Roleplayers DAmon Jones(you see his performance against the Pistons these playoffs? Prolly not a very underrated PG ) Udonis Haslem(capable of averaging a double double) Wesley PErson(greta 3 pt shooter) Kenyon Dooling( great back up PG) Rasual Butler(47 3 PT % aint for nothing.) Dorrel wright(bright future( Those are the ones worth mentioning. Your Welcome Yes you did. See? Your arguments are basically the same. Heat just maybe a top 15 team? THe Suns arnt even a top 15 team. Here how I see it. 1. Spurs 2. Pistons 3. T-Wolves 4.Pacers 5.Heat 6.Kings 7.Nuggets 8.Rockets 9.Lakers 10. Jazz 11.MAvericks 12. Grizzlies 13. Trail Blazers 14. Sixers 15. Hornets I believe all of those teams are better than the suns Just because you add Steve Nash and Q doesn't mean you go from 29-52 to a championship. Now if it was Timmy and Shaq or something ya I can see it. P.S You repaeted yourself like 5 times just to make your post look long , and I think I had to repeat myself many times.[/QUOTE] I never said the Suns were going to win it all Also what is this [/Quote] The Heat are easily going to win it all[/QUOTE] -Did you say that Where are you getting you quotes from because I did not post all of these. Also in in the thread I posted there are 4 pages so obvously you were wrong and unwilling to respond. You are right the Damp deal is not finished but even without him the Mavs are a better team, and they will be even better when they do get him. Check the roster when the games are actually being played. Yes in the Finals the Lakers had two top 5 players in the league and now the Heat have one top five player and your man Wade who is a great player but averaged less then 17 ppg. Shaq not having Kobe is going to be so much better. You must have a crystal ball. How do you know wade will be better then JJ. How do you know Haslem will be be such a good player yet has shown nothing in terms of being consistent thus far. Q and JJ are not our best players either. I don't believe EJ is comparable now. Haven't the Heat been trying to rid them of his contract for a couple of years now. Also if EJ is comparable to Q and JJ (Q has better numbers) then your 3rd best player is as good as our 5th. Person played for the Suns and I have respect for him. He's not a starter though. His numbers merit that. He can make shots and is great off the bench but if you start him it shows how weak you are as a team. Person YEAR G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS 2003-2004 58 0 17.9 2.2-5.4 .401 0.9-2.4 .399 0.5-0.7 .795 0.33 0.2 0.7 0.7 0.3 1.7 2.0 1.1 5.8 Not even 6 ppg and Barbosa Casey J., Nash, all had a better 3% If Q averages 12 he will still average way more then anybody on your team off the bench, you are not deep at all. Q though will proably average over 12 ppg too. DAmon Jones(you see his performance against the Pistons these playoffs? Prolly not a very underrated PG ) Udonis Haslem(capable of averaging a double double) Wesley PErson(greta 3 pt shooter) Kenyon Dooling( great back up PG) Rasual Butler(47 3 PT % aint for nothing.) Dorrel wright(bright future( Let me also ask did one of these guys average 10ppg last year?!. J. Howard is way better then anyone of these guys. You are telling me you will take Haslem over Howard??? Let me also state that Haslem is only 6'8 230 (undersized). You guys are worse then I though! Your list is crazy. Anyone with NBA smarts will tell you that. Feel free to ask around this forum. Also the Suns two years made the playoffs with a very similar team and took the Spurs further then anyone. This current team might be better. Nash is something Marbury is not. A guy who makes his teammates better. This team is better off with Nash then Marbury. Starbury though a great player was taking touches away from other guys. These players like JJ, Amare, Matrix, are also improved one year later. The addiion of Q is a bonus. A bonofied player, who will give us scoring, rebounding, hustle, etc etc. etc. off the bench. Yes I did repaeat myself many times. I though you might need to hear it more then once because you weren't getting it and definetly never will get it. What do other posters think. I think this guy is an idiot! :mrgreen:
If the Suns trade Marion for Dampier or something like that, then the Suns will be better then the Heat. But without a center that can even be Shaq fodder there is no way that the Suns could beat the Heat in a 7 game series.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> I never said the Suns were going to win it all Also in in the thread I posted there are 4 pages so obvously you were wrong and unwilling to respond. You are right the Damp deal is not finished but even without him the Mavs are a better team, and they will be even better when they do get him. Check the roster when the games are actually being played. Yes in the Finals the Lakers had two top 5 players in the league and now the Heat have one top five player and your man Wade who is a great player but averaged less then 17 ppg. Shaq not having Kobe is going to be so much better. You must have a crystal ball. How do you know wade will be better then JJ. How do you know Haslem will be be such a good player yet has shown nothing in terms of being consistent thus far. Q and JJ are not our best players either. I don't believe EJ is comparable now. Haven't the Heat been trying to rid them of his contract for a couple of years now. Also if EJ is comparable to Q and JJ (Q has better numbers) then your 3rd best player is as good as our 5th. Person played for the Suns and I have respect for him. He's not a starter though. His numbers merit that. He can make shots and is great off the bench but if you start him it shows how weak you are as a team. Person YEAR G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS 2003-2004 58 0 17.9 2.2-5.4 .401 0.9-2.4 .399 0.5-0.7 .795 0.33 0.2 0.7 0.7 0.3 1.7 2.0 1.1 5.8 Not even 6 ppg and Barbosa Casey J., Nash, all had a better 3% If Q averages 12 he will still average way more then anybody on your team off the bench, you are not deep at all. Q though will proably average over 12 ppg too. DAmon Jones(you see his performance against the Pistons these playoffs? Prolly not a very underrated PG ) Udonis Haslem(capable of averaging a double double) Wesley PErson(greta 3 pt shooter) Kenyon Dooling( great back up PG) Rasual Butler(47 3 PT % aint for nothing.) Dorrel wright(bright future( Let me also ask did one of these guys average 10ppg last year?!. J. Howard is way better then anyone of these guys. You are telling me you will take Haslem over Howard??? Let me also state that Haslem is only 6'8 230 (undersized). You guys are worse then I though! Your list is crazy. Anyone with NBA smarts will tell you that. Feel free to ask around this forum. Also the Suns two years made the playoffs with a very similar team and took the Spurs further then anyone. This current team might be better. Nash is something Marbury is not. A guy who makes his teammates better. This team is better off with Nash then Marbury. Starbury though a great player was taking touches away from other guys. These players like JJ, Amare, Matrix, are also improved one year later. The addiion of Q is a bonus. A bonofied player, who will give us scoring, rebounding, hustle, etc etc. etc. off the bench. Yes I did repaeat myself many times. I though you might need to hear it more then once because you weren't getting it and definetly never will get it. What do other posters think. I think this guy is an idiot! :mrgreen:</div> You clearly said the Suns were going to win it all. Na I'm not unwilling to repsond its just I only go to the forums that look like they have the newest or best info. Also even if the Mavs do get Dampier I do not expect them to be better than the Heat still. The games havn't even started either so I have no idea where your going there. Dwyane and Shaq will work better. Dwyane will genourously be the 2nd option if he need be. KObe just wants to be the best. Shaq is better than Kobe so that caused a fight. Wade is a very easy going guy who won't jack up shots just to look pretty. Haslem hasn't even proved himself yet. He averaged about 6.5 Rebounds coming off the bench. Also talking about unconsistency, why don't you mention Q? Quentin is a very inconsistent player. He'll score 25 one night and the next he'll score 2. You don't know what to expect from this guy. Eddie Jones is very cmparible to Quentin and JJ stat-wise, Eddie Jones PPG 17.3 RPG 3.8 APG 3.2 SPG 1.14 BPG .42 FG% .409 FT% .835 3P% .370 MPG 37.0 Quentin Richarson PPG 17.2 RPG 6.4 APG 2.1 SPG 1.03 BPG .29 FG% .398 FT% .740 3P% .352 MPG 36.0 Joe Johnson PPG 16.7 RPG 4.7 APG 4.4 SPG 1.13 BPG .32 FG% .430 FT% .750 3P% .305 MPG 40.6 I say by these stats Eddie is the best of the bunch, and JJ even has an additional 3 minutes than him. Joe is your 4th best player and Eddie is slighly better than him at this oint of time also. About Wesley do you think it could possibly be cause he only gets to play 17 minutes? I think so. He is a very underrated 3 point shoot and hits them when it counts. Hes a role-player, not a star like your team is full of. Role-players around Shaq,Wade, and Eddie will work very nicely indeed. You just watch. Also I would indeed definetly take Haslem over Juwan right now. Juwan is a lazy bum who only averaged 17 PPG last year because he was the 2nd option. He'll be lucky to average 10 this year. Then we have HAsmel who is a young player capable of averaging a double double and averaged 6 rebounds off the bench. Pretty good. The Suns with this team they have would work much better with Nash than Marbury. That you have there is correct. The Suns maybe took the Spurs farther than anyone because they knew how to play against them. That's just like saying this years NJ Nets took the Pistons farther than anyone. Do you really think that Nets teeam could beat the Lakers, with a monster Shaq and Kobe? I don't think so. So I am an idiot? LEts see what someone else thinks about the Heat and the Suns shall we? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG is the MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Suns trade Marion for Dampier or something like that, then the Suns will be better then the Heat. But without a center that can even be Shaq fodder there is no way that the Suns could beat the Heat in a 7 game series.:</div> Ahhh Some one else agrees with me, and no one with you. Go Ace! Go Ace! Go Ace! :mrgreen:
I did not say you were an idiot because you said the Heat were better then the Suns (which they are not). I said it because of your list of 15 teams that were better then the Suns. Also your quotes such as; "Also I would indeed definetly take Juwan over Haslem right now. Juwan is a lazy bum who only averaged 17 PPG last year because he was the 2nd option. He'll be lucky to average 10 this year. Then we have HAsmel who is a young player capable of averaging a double double and averaged 6 rebounds off the bench. Pretty good". Make no senseto me, you said you would rather have Howard and then totally bash him. Another example: You fight for the same cause saying the Suns are going to win it all. [/Quote] The Heat are easily going to win it all[/QUOTE] Seems like agreeing with Flames to me as he said something very similar including that stupid $100 dollar bet they win it ll. Right there you got one of your quotes saying the Heat were going to win it all. If I remember correctly neither myself nor Flames said this. Also isn't there a reason W. Person only played 17 minutes. He is not a starter, PERIOD. A great role player but def not a starter. Maybe Q is inconsistent some games. The bottom lin though is stats+consistency he averaged 17ppg 6rpg conssitently throughout the year. Q is on the team to provide a spark. We will not need 5 great scoroers but 5 great players. You can't possibly tell me a tandem of D. Wade and Shaq beats a combo of Kobe and Shaq I hated the Lakers last yeat but respected them. That was by far the best tandem (basketball wise) last year. I'm also very happy for you. Someone (1) has agreed with you. I dosent matter how many people do It won't change my stance. The Suns are a better team, enough said.
The suns will grab the 6th seed and be knocked out in 5 games. They are like the Kings without Brad Miller or Chris Webber and can't shoot the three. Not a good way to build a team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">when i said Yao is the best center in the west, i meant "yao is the best center in the west". you want me to word taht differently? I never came out and point-blank said Tmac is the best SG in the league, i said some may argue it, and they do have a valid point. Where was tmac in the finals? He wasn't there... Kobe may have been there physically, but his role was pretty much the same as tmacs against the pistons, doing nothing. As a matter of fact, i'd rather sit at home and watch the finals then to go and get D-ed up the way kobe did, and get criticized for his poor shot selection. So don't even go there. Thats weak. Divac is a center who knows how to pass, too bad the lakers aren't going to be a team that plays to his strengths because of a certain player they have who won't give him and his 30 minutes/game an opportunity to utilize it. If your gonna count on walton to be your savior, then your gonna have a huge upset coming your way. I wouldn't be suprised if Houston sweeps LA in the regular season next year. </div> ok ok Yao is the best "center" in the west.. my bad. and about Kobe being physically present there but doing nothing.. maybe you didnt see his game tying(spelling?) 3 pointer. and he played good D against the pistons.. did you see that block on Rip made by Kobe? ok so maybe Kobe is a selfish arrogant bastard..that doesnt mean he doesnt have the ability to share the ball, Kobe can share the ball extremely well....sometimes... and hopefully Kobe can change now that he has the burden of the whole team on his shoulders.. here's a link to that http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=neel/040730 and I never said that Luke Walton is gonna be the saviour. what i meant was Walton can really help by coming of the bench and scoring some points for the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG is the MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">The suns will grab the 6th seed and be knocked out in 5 games. They are like the Kings without Brad Miller or Chris Webber and can't shoot the three. Not a good way to build a team.</div> I respectfully disagree. C-Webb is no force. Stilla great player yes, but at this point I would take Amare Stoudemire over C-Webb. We don't have a Brad Miller you are correct. We are lacking at the 5 but Little Jake, Steven Hunter, M. Lampe, and possibly Scott Williams should contibute there next year. The Suns have 3 point shooters. They are a better 3 point shooting then you give them credit for. Nash, Barbosa, Casey J., Marion, Q all shoot the 3 ball well. I don't expect much from the Suns this year, they are a team of the future and in two years a team that just might be dominant. I hope the Suns have a solid year and have a better record then the Heat. :mrgreen:
