Man, I wish we had Martell this past season just to see how he'd fit in with this group. But I love Rudy's game and I think he got a big surprise with how much of a grind the NBA season is. I expect Rudy to be even better, or more consistent next year.
Umm yes Rudy 08-09 season MIN:25.6, PPG:10.4, APG:2.7, RPG:2.0, PER:15.4, FGPCT: .425, 3PTPCT: .399 Martell 07-08 MIN:28.4, PPG:10.7, APG:1.2, RPG:3.9, PER:12.0, FG PCT: .422, 3PTPCT: .388 Rudy has the edge in shooting percentages, assists, and advanced statistics. He's also nearly matching him in PPG in less minutes. All that and he did not have a better season?
So, Rudy's rookie year was only marginally better than Webster's *3rd* season? Not a very persuasive argument for Webster being better!
I love lurking here and reading all the train wreck threads you guys make. But I really hate all the thread necromancy people do here. It's rediculous.
If this was a fight, you would have to say Rudy took a dive. Webster has shown modest improvement, but Rudy has just plain tanked.
Webster. And I would have said Webster back then too. Rudy has the same offensive deficiencies and more defensive ones.
I actually really like this bump. A year ago it was Rudy EASILY. He just had a great rookie season, he needs more of a role, we could trade Roy for Paul and be even better! Now, he's inconsistent, has trouble creating his own shot, misses Sergio, can get really hot, but isn't dependable, plays kind of poor defense but gets steals, and is undersized. Webster a year ago was a player for the disabled list. We overpaid him with 4 mill/year, he has trouble creating his own shot, had questionable handles at best, has to be set up off of screens, was overrated for where he was drafted, can get really hot but isn't dependable, can play good defense sometimes, but most often isn't that great. Webster now is a guy who is a really valuable hustle player who can knock down threes when he's open (some of the time). Even if he's not shooting well, he works his butt off on defense, and does some nice things on the boards every once in a while. He had a great month when our season was in question and averaged almost 20ppg. He's paid well for what he does, and can be a valuable player off of the bench.
Good thing we've got you to keep things in perspective, Weav. Keep up the good work. As for the original question, I think they both are capable of being solid role players on a good team. The major difference that I see is that Webs is able to accept that kind of supporting role, while Rudy clearly is not. Whether he ever will remains to be seen, but it sure seems like he would be happiest on either a D'Antoni style SSOL team, or back in Europe where he can be the hottest thing since sliced Spanish bread. I do think that he is a lot better than what we have seen recently, but I have been convinced that he is a poor fit for this team as it is now. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind hanging on to Webs as an energy bench player, provided he continues to be cool with that.
Gotta agree; though last year I probably would have voted Rudy and been wrong wrong wrong. Martell brings effort on defense, can rebound and block shots, and drains the three at a clip that isn't so much worse than Rudy to disregard the other things he brings to the table. Neither is a world-beater, but Martell's a solid backup player with a ton of heart. Every year (save his lost season) Martell has improved his ORtg and DRtg; this year was the first where he wasn't upside-down on his ratings. It's encouraging to see Martell steadily improve, slowly but surely.
