we'll see after Shaq retires. I do agree he is the best player the Lakers won't be getting champ rings anymore after he's gone unless they got another dominant low man and that 8>23 I am guessing means you think KB is better then MJ which is absolutely retarded.
lakers will have quite alot of money for new players as soon as shaq leaves..so they will get players to help out kobe..and he will still be able to put up 30 7 and 7..while having good players around him.Kobe is only 24 and he will have improved by the time shaq retires..which is a scary thought.
someone with a gerald wallace link and a lebron james link in their profiles calling me retarded cuz of my choice of players i like... whether you want to admit it or not...Kobe just passed MJ's streak of 10 games of 35+ points...and is going on 12...my guess he'll get the 12th because Ruben "kobe-stopper" Patterson opens his mouth too much and Kobe is gonna go out and make him his bitch...in the 11 games where Kobe has been the focus of the offense they are 9-2...and while Shaq's presence obviously helps...Kobe is winning the games...not Shaq... i've been shooting off my mouth for 4 years that Kobe is better then MJ...i'll be the first to admit that for the first 3 years and 9 months i probably sounded really stupid...but you can't argue with the facts... i will never claim that Kobe will impact the game Jordan did in his time...merely that he is a better player...many people agree that Kobe at 24 is better then Jordan was at 24...this is true...I might argue that Kobe at 24 is better then Jordan was at 25, 26, 27, 28 straight through his prime...i think he is...i think he must be...because he posts similar results vs better competition (i loved the old days of the NBA just as much as anyone...but the players are better now)... there are freaks of nature running all around the NBA now...guys who are 6'10 and lightning quick with long arms (Kirilenko)...etc...a lot of times the guy that Jordan was being guarded by were either shorter or slower, a lot of times both, then he was...Kobe went against double teams from Kirilenko and Harpring last night for much of the game and still hung 40 on them...there has not been someone as unstoppable as Kobe since Jordan...so you have no basis for calling my opinion that Kobe is a better player then Jordan... thats all that signature in my profile represents...is 1. my belief that Kobe is a better player then Jordan was (not that he will be as dominating or impact the game as much), and 2. the fact that i like Kobe 10x's more then I ever liked Jordan...and I did like Jordan... so no its not retarded...i dont ever remember an opposing team's crowd chanting 'Jordan MVP' the way utah was chanting 'Kobe - MVP' last night...but i may be mistaken...correct me if im wrong...but apparently there's a lot more ppl then me that think Kobe is an unbelievably special player...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "SCBrian":</div><div class="quote_post">" when Shaq leaves...Kobe will be the Key to the Lakers success...in my opinion Phil Jackson already sees Kobe as the key to their success now...Shaq leaving will also free up 30 million dollars a year of salary money...granted kobe will probably be making 20 odd million a year then but that still leaves 22 more million dollars for the Lakers to sign players that will compliment Kobe, rather then players who will compliment Shaq...hell they could prolly afford McGrady...i would LOVE watching that =P if Kobe can put up the numbers with Shaq in the lineup he will certainly be able to put them up without him in the lineup...reason? he touches the ball more...the offense runs through him...and he needs to put up 40 for them to win because Fox and Fisher are rarely going to put up 20 points...even tho Fisher's done it quite a few times this year...that was kinda surprising... yah the lakers cant fight...but who cares? i dont watch basketball to watch fights...i watch basketball to see people play basketball...and oh the Lakers do that just fine...</div> u may end up right. kobe will touch the ball moreand ma score more as a result but again its an unsafe assumption... reason? he will also be double teamed a lot more and with more pressure every time and they wont call every foul cuz there will just be too many of them (though kobe gets the calls usually). carrying an entire offense and also having to control it can also effect a players personnal rythm causing him to take lower percentage shots. shaq doesnt have to worry about this because he can basically fall towards the basketn and its two points. as for the lakers winning. even if kobe becomes a much better player and scores like 35 the whole year it doesnt neccecarily translate to wins for the lakers. even if they add another star its not shaq. there will be no more shaqs and kobe though a greaqt individual player isnt a winner and wont cause that franchise to win another championship. that im very confident ogf
haha I wasn't calling you retarded I was saying that believing KB is better then MJ is retarded because KB really hasn't proved it yet to me. I like Gerald and Lebron so thats why the links are in my posts so not sure what you meant by that. KB is a truly great player I agree with that. Most likely the best in the NBA right now but I still think MJ is the best to be scene so far.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "ianmar9":</div><div class="quote_post">haha I wasn't calling you retarded I was saying that believing KB is better then MJ is retarded because KB really hasn't proved it yet to me. I like Gerald and Lebron so thats why the links are in my posts so not sure what you meant by that. KB is a truly great player I agree with that. Most likely the best in the NBA right now but I still think MJ is the best to be scene so far.</div> yeah SC, its just a matter of opinion. you gotta respect ian's opinion...even though its the wrong one.... hahaha but i gotta agree, kobe scoring 40+ pts every game will not guarantee a win. i personally prefer playmaking kobe...anyways, the main thing is, kobe is doing what ever it takes for the lakers to win.
haha i just dont think you can really call that statement 'retarded' at all... to you, maybe, kobe hasnt shown enough to be proven a better player then MJ...but you hafta admit that it is at least ARGUABLE that he could be a better player now then MJ was...once again not sayin more dominating etc...but a better player...11 games...43 ppg...50% from the field and from 3pt range...that to me is not just "Jordanesque"...that is better then Jordan...but thats my opinion...and it is arguable...so i can't call ur opinion retarded and you can't call mine retarded either... and if they did add another star...(particullarly a big man)...they would still win games...as much as I hate Duncan...Kobe and Duncan would win championships...why? Duncan is a solid interior defender...Kobe is a solid perimeter defender...Duncan is a strong low post presence and rebounder...it would be another great inside outside combo...and i would think they would operate similar to the Lakers of today...ride Duncan hard (not quite as hard as they rode Shaq) through 3 quarters...maybe Kobe has about 15-20 through the first 3 quarters...and then run the ball through Kobe for the finish... nobody finishes better then Kobe...thats why he is a champion...he IS a winner regardless of what any of the haters may think...Michael Jordan is "The Greatest Winner" of all time...according to everyone and their moms...according to Phil Jackson...Kobe has that exact same quality as MJ...he is a winner...he is clutch...he is determined...and he is constantly improving...the guy is gonna get better...and that is disgusting...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">u may end up right. kobe will touch the ball moreand ma score more as a result but again its an unsafe assumption... reason? he will also be double teamed a lot more and with more pressure every time and they wont call every foul cuz there will just be too many of them (though kobe gets the calls usually). <u>carrying an entire offense and also having to control it can also effect a players personnal rythm causing him to take lower percentage shots</u>. shaq doesnt have to worry about this because he can basically fall towards the basketn and its two points. </div> That's allen Iverson for ya, the only dominating player on his team and off course guys are going to go up on him and double team, triple team and s***. After all of that though people still b**** about his shooting percantage, so yeah I totally agree with that because I have seen it and am seeing it now. But with Shaq's money left over then they would sign a good player and then probably wouldn't happen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jdub:</div><div class="quote_post"> marion,kidd </div> Dude, I honestly hope that was a joke. Compare the stats. Kobe is WAAAAAYYYY better than both those 2 cats. Kidd is overrated. Give me Kobe or KG, who can do the same things but actually play in a tough conference. Marion? LOL, please. This guy is a good rebounder, but not clutch and how many titles? He is barely an all-star in my book.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">If Kobe was a stat stuffer he would have played the 4th quarter and gone for 65+ </div> Tmac scored 52 points in 3quarters. He said he didnt want to play the 4th to break a record because there will be many other chances. So dont even start saying tmac/kobe are stat stuffers. Debating who is better (TMAC/kobe) is just stupid because they have so many things in common. The only difference is that kobe has shaq who has helped get him the rings. Tmac doesnt have much support
I think Tmac is better than kobe but... "Tmac decided not to play the 4th because he didnt want to break any records"........... rrrrrrrrrright
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Tmac is better than kobe but... "Tmac decided not to play the 4th because he didnt want to break any records"........... rrrrrrrrrright</div> I was watching that game and it was because the game was well out of hand (the magic were winning by like 22 pts) and there was no need to risk having him play and get a fluke injury. If I was his coach, I would've done the same thing Rivers did (which was to take him out). It was Doc's choice, not Tracy's. -taino
tmac is better than kobe. kobe is more clutch and plays a little better defense, but tmac is a better shooter, passer, and rebounder. everyone thinks kobe plays way better defense than tmac, but it's closer than you think. kobe's defense is still better IMO, but the reason why everyone thinks is way better than tmac's is because of SHAQ. who the hell wants to drive in on shaq and get stuffed? noone. who wants to drive in on andew declerq? everyone, so more people attempt to drive in on tmac than kobe, which makes it seem like kobe does a better job of stopping the player.
tmac is definatly not better than kobe ...full stop.....enough said......if he was this thread would be called 'whos better than tracy mcgrady',if you think about it
Kobe will be the KEY withoust Oneal? When Oneal was inury what was the lakers record ?Its Oneal team not kobe
Kobe will be the KEY withoust Oneal? When Oneal was inury what was the lakers record ?Its Oneal team not kobe I will take TMac / KG any day of the week
