Who's better than us now (in the West)?

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  1. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Because they have more talent.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Starting lineups look very comparable talent-wise, actually:
    Dame <> Morant
    Ant < Bane
    Hart > Brooks
    Grant <> JJJ
    Nurk <> Adams

    Then looking at the benches:
    GP2 <> Jones
    Nas < Clarke
    Watford <> Tillman
    Winslow <> Williams

    I don't know that the Grizz having more talent than us is necessarily true. The one thing that I will say is that their defense was significantly better than ours last year. If the Blazers want to be on their level, they'll have to defend on their level.
     
  3. SlyPokerCat

    SlyPokerCat cats rool dogs drool

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    Be careful. You may have just hit a hornets nest saying Lillard and Morant are on the same level. I think that's fair, but others don't.
     
  4. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    My favorite fan is the fan who hates every player on it. Lol. They make me laugh.
     
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    SlyPokerCat cats rool dogs drool

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    I don't think there is anyone that hates every player on their team.

    Saying someone is a comparable talent does not equal hate.
     
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  6. STOMP

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    Once the games start up in earnest, with all this off season pretend time expectations I'm reading, I bet he'll be a scapegoat.

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  7. Ed O

    Ed O Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    That definitely seems like a possibility. If we're getting "Chauncey guys", though, and then we don't win... it's hard NOT to blame him. I think he'd deserve more than one more season, even if the year goes entirely sideways, but I wish we had a GM that would get good players for a coach to work with, rather than trying to get guys a coach wants to work with (especially when we're building from a borderline lottery-level starting spot).
     
  8. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Not sure why people are so high on Wenbanyama. He's getting meh stats in the French league (which is pretty weak) just like Ntilikina did (Frank was a role player in my hometown and I had no clue why anyone would pick him in the lottery)
     
  9. Fairly-Hard

    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    The Blazers will be good not great.
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    Nobody really knows?
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    The Blazers aren’t good enough!
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    Nobody really knows?
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    What about injuries!
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    Nobody really knows?
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    If the Blazers could just get!
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    Nobody really knows?

    I’m going with nobody really knows.
     
  10. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    I tried to put your post to music...the best I came up with was Strawberry Fields Forever ('To" had 5 syllables a couple of times)
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    “More than a feeling”
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    I know this, "I don't doubt Dame".
     
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    42N8Bounce Red Hot And Rebuilding

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    Here's a look at how many all-stars each team had last year (I defined an all-star as selected within the last 3 seasons):

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    Does Portland need a second all-star to contend? Well, looking at the table above, I'd say it certainly helps. Can Dame do it by himself with a great supporting cast? Perhaps. Memphis and Dallas made a good run at it. Lots of teams have two all-stars. However, without a strong bench, you're probably looking at a short post-season.

    How do the Blazers get that second all-star without mortgaging their bench and future? I don't think there's an easy answer to that. Draft? Free Agency? Trade? Develop?

    Here's a look at the odds of drafting an all-star:

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    The odds of drafting an all-star in the first round is about 17.1%. That's about 1 in 6. No more trading away first round picks for middling starters. Draft smart and build assets.

    Did we already draft that second all-star? Simons? Sharpe? (Walker?)

    I don't think trading Dame is the answer. Rebuilding by blowing it up takes too long and is too risky. I don't want to be a bottom dweller for 6-10 years. Dame is a generational talent. I say keep him as long as he wants to be here. Draft smart and watch for that consolidation trade.

    As for where the Blazers end up at the end of the year in the standing - as always, it comes down to who has the healthy team come playoffs. I think the Blazers could end up anywhere from 4-8. But if they are at full strength at the end of the year, I think they could really make a good run in the playoffs. Stay healthy and continue to develop the young talent.
     
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    News flash, the offseason is always filled with speculation as thats all we have. You sound like you might need to take a break from here until the season starts.

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    That might be that case?
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    Nobody really knows?
     
  16. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Nice post.
    There hasn't ever been an all star drafted 12th ?
     
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    42N8Bounce Red Hot And Rebuilding

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    Not during that 20 year snapshot between 1990 and 2010.
     
  18. STOMP

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    Sorry no. These are both starting position talent advantages for Memphis. They didn't accidentally win the most games in the league the 2nd half of last season.

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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    If you honestly think that Dillon Brooks is a better or more talented player than Josh Hart, or even necessarily better suited to the SF position, then there is no conversation to be had here.
     
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    Honestly, did you watch much of Memphis last year? Obviously we disagree and there is probably little common ground to be found here. However, are you aware that Memphis was 21-6 without Ja last season? That includes the playoffs. Guess who plays the point for long stretches each game when Ja is out? Brooks is also one of the best on ball defenders 1-3 in the league. I'd trade Hart for him in a heartbeat.

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