<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Mar 22 2007, 06:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>HAHA Denver right now is in the second teir of NBA teams dude wake up. Next year they be right there with Dallas, and Suns I am telling yall.A team with Billups, AI, and Melo would work Billups be there with his good D, and assists split Melo/AI's shot be a GREAT 3rd threat. Denver will be the 3rd best team next year behind Dallas, and then Suns I think.</div>Me wake up? How bout you do that first.There is NO way Denver is even in the second tier this year.Utah, Houston, and Miami(with ade and Shaq) are the second tier.Denver is on the level with Cleaveland and Chicago...and the Lakers, IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MoNeY_MiKe__ @ Mar 22 2007, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Haha, I'm an idiot for saying Detroit is better than Denver? Ok, so I guess the other 20-30 people who said Detroit too are idiots? The Cavaliers are better than the Nuggets, the Lakers and Nuggets are on the same level about now.Man, what's next? Probably going to say Carmelo is better than Kobe. I think you've proven to just about everyone on here that you lack basic basketball knowledge. :dribble: I heard hockey is looking for fans, they're desperate so I'm sure they'll take some retard like you. Haha, Denver better than Detroit...that's a good one.</div>Dude I know more NBA then you will ever know moron. Nuggets are better then the Lakers, Cavs, and DET yes. You people are overrating DET like crazy I am telling yall if Shaq, and Wade are both playing I even put Miami above DET. Cause a big guy inside like Shaq will make enough diff if Wade was healthy playing also. And the Bulls are on the same level as DET.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTP @ Mar 22 2007, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let's put it like this, who has a better chance of winning a championship Denver or Detroit? Yeah, I thought so. And Denver ain't getting Chauncey, and it would not work anyways trust me. And what has Denver done this season? Besides the win against last week I haven't really seen any impressive wins from them. I know Detroit has beaten Miami, Dallas, Cleveland, Phoenix, Lakers, and Denver all on the road.</div>Denver Camby, and Nene inside. You got 2 stars who can take over a game and score 50 as easy as they can tie there shoe. Even if one of them is called, or they slow down one the other will take over. And when you also have Nene inside with Camby I am telling yall Denver is better.And your not a gm so you don't know if Denver will get Billups. I know it probably won't happen, but it CAN that is all I said I never said it was a lock.
I really don't like arguing with idiots but please tell me. What makes you think the Nuggets are better than Detroit, Cavaliers, or Lakers? And Camby and Nene aren't stars. But if you say they are then of course they must be. Is it because they have Iverson and Melo? Is it because it took them a 5 game win streak to get over .500? Is it because they play in the West? Is it because in three years, they have a total of 3 playoff wins? Damn, it must be the 19-17 home record. I see where you're coming from now. When Denver wins a playoff series, wait, that's too hard. When Denver wins TWO playoffs games in one series then you may try and claim their better. Until then, get off Iverson's nuts. You're making both you and him look bad. You may know more about the NBA than I do, but who cares? The simple fact that you think Denver is the 4th best team in the league now is just funny and well, yeah.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MoNeY_MiKe__ @ Mar 23 2007, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I really don't like arguing with idiots but please tell me. What makes you think the Nuggets are better than Detroit, Cavaliers, or Lakers? And Camby and Nene aren't stars. But if you say they are then of course they must be. Is it because they have Iverson and Melo? Is it because it took them a 5 game win streak to get over .500? Is it because they play in the West? Is it because in three years, they have a total of 3 playoff wins? Damn, it must be the 19-17 home record. I see where you're coming from now. When Denver wins a playoff series, wait, that's too hard. When Denver wins TWO playoffs games in one series then you may try and claim their better. Until then, get off Iverson's nuts. You're making both you and him look bad. You may know more about the NBA than I do, but who cares? The simple fact that you think Denver is the 4th best team in the league now is just funny and well, yeah.</div>I mean AI+Melo are stars I was saying when you got Nene+Camby inside and 2 stars in AI+Melo I was saying. Never said Camby/Nene is a star LMAO.And yes they are better because they have AI+Melo who both can win a game them self each any night. And it took them like 3 games to get over .500 but w/e.I am not on AI nuts when you have AI+Melo you can beat any team. They are better then the Lakers+Cavs for sure, and yes they are better then DET also. And Rockets and Jazz I would even say.Listen you will see only teams really better then Denver are Dallas, Suns, and Spurs.I actually think if Denver get's the 6th seat and play the Spurs they can up set them if they play even a little D cause they can deff out run them Spurs getting up there in age Denver can run more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTP @ Mar 23 2007, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He still ain't answered my question, who has Denver beat this year?</div>Suns blew them out LMAO but nah I know it's one game.Like I said they had 2nd most diff starting line-ups I think this year in the league.
Denver better then the Pistons? And way better then Cleveland and Houston? Isn't that the same team that Toronto man handled not to long ago? Whats their record too? And even with A.I and Melo together it hasn't worked out great. I wouldn't put Denver above of Cleveland, maybe not even Houston. Even though Denver beat Cleveland two times this season, it doesn't mean they are better. Cleveland beat the Spurs two times this season, doesn't mean were better. Anyway, Pistons are by far better then the Nuggets. This is crazy talk.
Nahh man Denver ain't that good a team. Every single team ahead of Denver in West seedings including Utah and Houston can beat them. In the playoffs I doubt they will make such a big impact, I mean right now it looks like they're taking on the Spurs.. Who you think would win that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Mar 26 2007, 03:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Denver better then the Pistons? And way better then Cleveland and Houston? Isn't that the same team that Toronto man handled not to long ago? Whats their record too? And even with A.I and Melo together it hasn't worked out great. I wouldn't put Denver above of Cleveland, maybe not even Houston. Even though Denver beat Cleveland two times this season, it doesn't mean they are better. Cleveland beat the Spurs two times this season, doesn't mean were better. Anyway, Pistons are by far better then the Nuggets. This is crazy talk.</div>Denver is better then Pistons yes. And way better the Cavs, and Lakers not Rockets. But Yeah they are also a little better then Rockets, and Jazz. And that was 1 game I am sure there was one game last year when the Knicks kept losing that they blew out also. LOL Now Raps are good, but it was one really bad game the Nuggets had. The record don't tell how good they are. It is working great now not sure what you been watching and they will only keep getting better the more they play together all healthy. Rockets are better then the Cavs Denver is better then the Cavs, and a little better then the Rockets I think. You people are overrating Pistons they are in the East the played MORE EAST teams. They are not better then not only Dallas, Suns, and the Spurs. But also they are not better then the Rockets, Jazz, and Denver Nuggets. Not sure about Lakers Cavs, and Lakers are there together after Dallas, Suns, Spurs, Rockets, Denver, and the Jazz then comes LA/Cavs in no order.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (12HRockets @ Mar 26 2007, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nahh man Denver ain't that good a team. Every single team ahead of Denver in West seedings including Utah and Houston can beat them. In the playoffs I doubt they will make such a big impact, I mean right now it looks like they're taking on the Spurs.. Who you think would win that?</div>Right now they are taking on the Suns they won't win that. But if they take on the Spurs I would not be that surprised if they up set the Spurs. Denver can deff out run the Spurs they can get them really tired so if they play atleast some D they can up set the Spurs.And your right Rockets/Jazz can beat Denver in the playoffs, but they would not though in a 7 game series.
Whoa.. How can you overrate the Pistons? And how in the world can you say Denver is better then them? IMO, and I don't want the Denver fans to take it the wrong way. But Carmelo is a ball hog. When I watch the guy doesn't pass very often and he takes the major of the shots. Now I hate seeing Iverson with Denver, reason being is because to me he isn't the same player. But I want him to win a ring so if this is the team, then so be it. I just doubt it will work out between the two, JMO. Anyway, do you remember last season when the Pistons had an unbelievable record? They were just the best and they still are top three or four. How can you say the Nuggets are better then the Pistons? What has Denver done to earn a spot on the top teams? Just because the top teams in the East aren't matched up like the top teams in the West are doesn't mean the Pistons are overrated. I just don't see how anyone can say that. On Denver being "Way" better then Cleveland. I wouldn't go that far, again what has Denver done? Just because they got A.I doesn't mean they get this free pass to top teams in the league. It is gonna take time before that duo works out at all and they are not top in the league at all yet. I just don't see what you others see here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Mar 26 2007, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Whoa.. How can you overrate the Pistons? And how in the world can you say Denver is better then them? IMO, and I don't want the Denver fans to take it the wrong way. But Carmelo is a ball hog. When I watch the guy doesn't pass very often and he takes the major of the shots. Now I hate seeing Iverson with Denver, reason being is because to me he isn't the same player. But I want him to win a ring so if this is the team, then so be it. I just doubt it will work out between the two, JMO. Anyway, do you remember last season when the Pistons had an unbelievable record? They were just the best and they still are top three or four. How can you say the Nuggets are better then the Pistons? What has Denver done to earn a spot on the top teams? Just because the top teams in the East aren't matched up like the top teams in the West are doesn't mean the Pistons are overrated. I just don't see how anyone can say that. On Denver being "Way" better then Cleveland. I wouldn't go that far, again what has Denver done? Just because they got A.I doesn't mean they get this free pass to top teams in the league. It is gonna take time before that duo works out at all and they are not top in the league at all yet. I just don't see what you others see here.</div>Because Cavs have not been playing as good as some thought they would this season and are only like 2 games out of first play in the East over all that's why. They played more games against the weak East. And haha I never would have agreed that Melo is a ball hog, and still don't really but sometimes I do end up going like WTF are you doing stop forcing those shots and pass it back out to AI. But his shooting % is good so w/e guess not bad. I like seeing AI in Denver he finally has the help he never had in Philly. And AI might not be scoring as much, but out side of that he is a BETTER player. His assists are up, and his shooting % most importantly is up. I think his steals little up also maybe wrong about the steals. And more important his D has been trying very hard unlike in Philly before he was traded he did not try last few years on D much in Philly. But like I said what won't work with them? It's been working and they only played a few games together really.Yes I remember last years Pistons. They lost big Ben that's one thing that is diff, and other teams got better. There are 6 teams in the West better then DET. Dallas, Suns, Spurs, Rockets, Denver, and the Jazz.Denver is a lot better then the Cavs, and the Lakers yes. Not just because of AI. Play of Nene has been so much better, and Klazia of the bench has been great. Blake has been also pretty good. And JR today against Cavs looked better.
Sergey, the Pistons are actually better without Ben actually, now they have 5 legit scorers always on the court and it takes away the chance for teams to send doubles and all that good stuff. And also the Pistons bench is way stronger than last year's bench, Delfino, Murray, Hunter, Maxeill, and Dice have all been kill it lately and whenever Dale Davis gets time he plays very well too. Denver is so better but Detroit beats them without Rip Hamilton or Chris Webber in the lineup but Denver is better because they play in the West? I wonder if you really understand how stupid you sound. And fyi all those teams you said are better than Detroit, Detroit has played pretty well against. Pistons went on the road and beat Dallas and nearly beat them at home without Chauncey who's maybe the most important player right now for Detroit. Pistons crushed Phoenix on the road and nearly beat them at home also but were without Chauncey also and lost in the last minute as well. Detroit didn't have Webber yet either. San Antonio has been one team that has played Detroit pretty well but if not for a sloppy start then Pistons could of came away with a road win there also, they only lost by 1. They blewout Houston and Houston came to town but lost in Houston. Jazz swept Detroit also this year and always seems to play well against Detroit but to think they would beat Detroit in a 7 game series I don't think so. Denver may be better than Cleveland and LA but not by much. Cleveland has a problem with being consistent imo, when they're at the top of their game they are just as good as Denver. And LA has been hurt all season long, with a healthy team they're not too far behind Denver. Yes, Denver has some nice solid role players in LK, Blake, Smith, Nene but are very capitable of being beat, all you have to do is control the tempo and teams like Detroit, San Antonio, and Dallas can all manage to do that in a playoffs series. Detroit has a better starting 5 and a better bench so I don't see how in hell you're even putting Denver on Detroit's level.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTP @ Mar 26 2007, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sergey, the Pistons are actually better without Ben actually, now they have 5 legit scorers always on the court and it takes away the chance for teams to send doubles and all that good stuff. And also the Pistons bench is way stronger than last year's bench, Delfino, Murray, Hunter, Maxeill, and Dice have all been kill it lately and whenever Dale Davis gets time he plays very well too. Denver is so better but Detroit beats them without Rip Hamilton or Chris Webber in the lineup but Denver is better because they play in the West? I wonder if you really understand how stupid you sound. HAHA I knew people would start with this them beating Denver with out Rip/Webber. AI was like 2-9 like 6-9 points before last minute of the 4th so pretty much the whole game even though he ended with like 14/8. Melo scored like 13 points. The 2 main guys SUCKED tonight pretty much. Nene, and Camby were on fire, and JR if they played like this when AI/Melo play like them normal selfs they be one of the best in this league. LOL AI+Melo were way of tonight. And Sheed made a crazy lucky shot to tie it we had that won even though it was not pretty. And fyi all those teams you said are better than Detroit, Detroit has played pretty well against. Pistons went on the road and beat Dallas and nearly beat them at home without Chauncey who's maybe the most important player right now for Detroit. Pistons crushed Phoenix on the road and nearly beat them at home also but were without Chauncey also and lost in the last minute as well. Detroit didn't have Webber yet either. San Antonio has been one team that has played Detroit pretty well but if not for a sloppy start then Pistons could of came away with a road win there also, they only lost by 1. They blewout Houston and Houston came to town but lost in Houston. Jazz swept Detroit also this year and always seems to play well against Detroit but to think they would beat Detroit in a 7 game series I don't think so. I think so all those teams you said are all better then DET. Not just Dallas, Suns, and Spurs. But also Rockets, Denver, and the Jazz. Miami is on the same level as DET when healthy. Only teams DET is better then are Cavs, and the Lakers. Denver may be better than Cleveland and LA but not by much. Cleveland has a problem with being consistent imo, when they're at the top of their game they are just as good as Denver. And LA has been hurt all season long, with a healthy team they're not too far behind Denver. Yes, Denver has some nice solid role players in LK, Blake, Smith, Nene but are very capitable of being beat, all you have to do is control the tempo and teams like Detroit, San Antonio, and Dallas can all manage to do that in a playoffs series. Detroit has a better starting 5 and a better bench so I don't see how in hell you're even putting Denver on Detroit's level.</div>All DET has that Nuggets don't really is a 5th starter Webber is better then Blake. Bench KL, JR are good enough. AI can play every second of the game he don't care he will play every sec so don't even need a back up for him. Nene has not just been a solid role player lately he has been a beast inside I expect him to keep that up if Karl would onoly decide to go to him more inside with how big and fast he is that can cause half of a Shaq kinda thing were people would double maybe and guys be left open.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Mar 27 2007, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Welp, I guess the other night cleared everything up really nicely. Detroit is the 4th best team.</div>It cleared nothing except that Sheed made a lucky shot, and Denver was paying a back to back extra hard time in OT when your tired on a back to back.And AI+Melo had there worse game combined they ever had in the games they played together they were both WAY of. Like 27 points together that should tell ya that it was just a bad game.And even if you wanna think they better then Denver and they are not they still got Rockets, Jazz who I think are better then DET also.They are not better then Denver WEAK EAST makes a huge diff then you people think they double play the weak easy and Denver double plays the hard west.If they are so good how come Cavs in a up and down season are only a few games back?
It's clear nobody is going to say the other team is better. That's what being a fan is about. We'll just have to let the teams speak for themselves on the court in the playoffs.And for the record, The Cavs and Nuggets have both won 18 games vs the West this year. The Pistons have won 17. With the Nuggets playing more games against the West than the Pistons and Cavs and the Nuggets better, one would assume they'd have won a lot more than they have.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Mar 28 2007, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It cleared nothing except that Sheed made a lucky shot, and Denver was paying a back to back extra hard time in OT when your tired on a back to back.And AI+Melo had there worse game combined they ever had in the games they played together they were both WAY of. Like 27 points together that should tell ya that it was just a bad game.And even if you wanna think they better then Denver and they are not they still got Rockets, Jazz who I think are better then DET also.They are not better then Denver WEAK EAST makes a huge diff then you people think they double play the weak easy and Denver double plays the hard west.If they are so good how come Cavs in a up and down season are only a few games back?</div>The Jazz have been playing good for 1 season only. And your going to call a championship caliber team worse than them? Are you nuts? Detroit is the 4th best team in the league, no question about it. Denver may be a good team on paper, but they just cant get things done. I am not liking the way AI+melo are playing with their team. Sure as heck they are playing good together. But I dont see the Denver bench getting better or producing with them in the lineup. There is just not enough spotson the floor for them to play the players they want. Fatigue also plays a part. You got 4 players playing 40+ minutes of basketball. Hardly enough time for anyone off the bench to make an impact. Nene, Iverson, Melo, and Camby all play 40 + minutes of basketball. That is jsut absurd. If they get tired who else is left? No one. Thats right. The Pistons, Rockets, and Jazz bench all have better Benches than the nuggets. The Nuggets are not a complete team, and wont be until the players they rely heavily on get some support.
Houston.At any given time, they have the best center in the league and top 5-10 player in T-Mac. The supporting cast is fantastic, and they play awesome team defense. Only real weakness is at the PG position, but in the playoffs T-Mac will be the playmaker most of the time, and Rafer will be playing SG. Why I feel they are better than Utah- Utah is a nice, balanced team, but in the playoffs, when the team needs someone to take over, I do not trust Carlos Boozer or Deron Williams to be that guy. At any important time in the game between these 2 teams, the Rockets would have the 2 best players on the floor and arguably the best defense in the league...give me that over what Utah offers.Why I feel they are better than Detroit- They do not play the defense they once did, and in playoffs against teams with good big men they will have hard time with the likes of Webber down low. And against many teams in the playoffs, like Utah, they will not have the best player in the floor, and that could serve as a problem (not so much against the East outside of Miami, but in the West vs some of the more well balanced teams it will). The team still has a number of questions to answer, but I do feel in any given series they have a chance to win...even against Phoenix and Dallas.Why I feel they are better than the Lakers- Outside of Lamar and Kobe, the Lakers are a weak team. Without Kobe going off for a huge series, they will lose in the playoffs. They do not play exceptionally great on either end of the floor, and I just can't see them beating any of the top 5-6 teams in the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Mar 28 2007, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It cleared nothing except that Sheed made a lucky shot, and Denver was paying a back to back extra hard time in OT when your tired on a back to back.And AI+Melo had there worse game combined they ever had in the games they played together they were both WAY of. Like 27 points together that should tell ya that it was just a bad game.And even if you wanna think they better then Denver and they are not they still got Rockets, Jazz who I think are better then DET also.They are not better then Denver WEAK EAST makes a huge diff then you people think they double play the weak easy and Denver double plays the hard west.If they are so good how come Cavs in a up and down season are only a few games back?</div>Sergey, please type in english. The Nuggets are not better than the pistons though I mean sure it was a lucky shot by sheed, but the pistons were without both rip and Cwebb, if the Nuggets were as good as you say they are then the game shouln't of even came down to that.BTW sergey were do you think the Nuggets will finish in the west? what seed you think they will get?
