<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 30 2007, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Houston, Utah, LA and Detroit when healthy are EASILY better than Denver. I would be surprised to see Denver take any of those teams, except maybe Utah because they are struggling, to even 7 games. You are a big time Iverson homer, I know... You are overrating Denver soooooo much. They are the Suns with a worse defense and a little bit worse offense too. Denver isn't that good at all, not NEAR the top 4. Houston and Detroit would beat them in 5.</div>Miami when healthy are also better than the NUggets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Mar 31 2007, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow! Nice topic Ballerman! 10 pages! All hail Ballerman!</div> :winkglasses:I knew it would be a good topic when I made it.
Serge weren't you a Sixers fan before AI went to Denver?This is getting ridiculous, Denver has proved that they don't have the pieces neccesary to make a playoff run. I'm not going to go through the facts becuase everyone has already pointed them out to you and you don't seem to be listening, but let me ask you. With Denver's lackluster defense they will go to shooting slumps and fall behind. Does Denver have the fire-power to score quickly enough to catch up to teams like PHX, GSW, WAS, without a PG forcing Melo/Iverson to take over. I'm not saying that this Denver squad in the future can't accomplish succes but right now there are changes that need to be made to this lineup. There have been to many changes to the squad slowing down their on and off court chemistry along with a ton of other issues so I really can't see them making it past the first round of the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Mar 29 2007, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Or the diff is 2 players getting fouled from the Nuggets with nothing being called for the steal to happen and that shot to go of in the first place.</div>So now you're complaining about sh*tty officiating... how trite. It was a clean steal; I saw the replay. This isn't the first time the Nuggets have been like this. They've been very inconsistent. Bringing them up in this conversation is a joke. I don't even think they are the 5th or 6th best team.
If the 4th best team is one who's record is 2 games under .500 in the last two months then the NBA really must be at a low point now.
I think this proves that Melo and AI are very overrated. I've been saying it for awhile and people got all upset about it. I knew it wouldn't work. The 2 highest scoring players in the league with the least benefits for their team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Mar 31 2007, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guys we all know it's the Pistons, so just stop posting, jesus.</div>Pistons are definetely one of the main candidates but in no way are they the given #4 team. Houston is a defensive powerhouse with a large bench, a swingman who can make his own offense and offense for other players in T-mac, and a 7 foot machine in Yao who is arguebely the biggest matchup nuisances in the NBA. Also don't sleep on the Jazz. They have one of the best up and coming PG's in the NBA in Deron Williams. A powerhouse big man in Boozer. Mehmet Okur who splits defenses apart with his ability to shoot a three point shot. One of the best defenders in the NBA in AK47 and a proven great coach.Although Detroit's bench is underrated it does not compare to the Rockets or the Jazz's. Not to mention that Detroit can not win the defensive battle against these teams. Gonna go watch the second half of UCLA - Florida now :dribble:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dmoney @ Mar 30 2007, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Miami when healthy are also better than the NUggets.</div>They haven't really been healthy yet though so I won't say them yet, but probably.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Mar 31 2007, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pistons are definetely one of the main candidates but in no way are they the given #4 team. Houston is a defensive powerhouse with a large bench, a swingman who can make his own offense and offense for other players in T-mac, and a 7 foot machine in Yao who is arguebely the biggest matchup nuisances in the NBA. Also don't sleep on the Jazz. They have one of the best up and coming PG's in the NBA in Deron Williams. A powerhouse big man in Boozer. Mehmet Okur who splits defenses apart with his ability to shoot a three point shot. One of the best defenders in the NBA in AK47 and a proven great coach.Although Detroit's bench is underrated it does not compare to the Rockets or the Jazz's. Not to mention that Detroit can not win the defensive battle against these teams. Gonna go watch the second half of UCLA - Florida now :dribble:</div>Then why the F*ck is ANYBODY talking about the nuggets?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Mar 31 2007, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Then why the F*ck is ANYBODY talking about the nuggets?</div>Only person to even suggest the Nuggets was Serge and that was shot down by every other poster.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dmoney @ Apr 1 2007, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Serge is a moron usually he says crazy things, even the Wizards are better than the NUggets.</div>Let me make a list of teams better than the Nuggets.MiamiDetroitTorontoWashington ClevelandChicagoDallasPheonixSan AntonioUtahHoustonLos Angeles L (When Healthy)Los Angeles C (When healthy)Hmmm, that makes Denver the 14th best team in the league. That's about the league average, how about that. Serge, I can make a case for why all these teams are better than Denver. Denver doesn't have to consistency to matchup against any of these team. One night all there shots are falling while others none are, now of course there are going to be slower shooting nights than others but Denver has way too many of those "bad shooting nights" and the fact that they play no defense stops Denver from staying in the game. Allen Iverson was not the answer, it left you all without a PG to move the ball around and take open shots and forced every single aspect of Denver's offense to be run through 2 guys.Now I'm not saying that next year Denver won't improve next year but this year they badly needed that training camp with AI in it. Which resulted in a messy offense and poor defense.
[quote name='RaptorFan#1' post='321516' date='Mar 30 2007, 04:34 PM']Are you telling me that Denver will have a better season than the rest of the NBA including the Spurs? I think you should get banned for being an unbearable homer.[/quote]No Spurs are better of course.And they won't have a better season record wise, but they are better then the rest.And banned for being a unbearable homer? LMAO I am not a homer, and one of the top active members here when not busy if anyone be banned is you. LOLI am not even a die hard Denver fan I am a Sixers fan, but now watch AI there, and also like Melo I am no homer I am speaking the truth.[quote name='12HRockets' post='321583' date='Mar 30 2007, 05:49 PM']Man Serge why are u even arguin this? Denver? 2nd tier? Man if you could read some of your posts. The Nuggets wouldn't be able to beat Utah, Rockets or The Pistons in a series. You're just sayin the same thing over and over.Now as 4 the 4th best team in the league.. not sure but it's between Utah, Houston and Detroit.[/quote][quote name='Dmoney' post='322142' date='Mar 31 2007, 02:20 AM']Miami when healthy are also better than the NUggets.[/quote]Not they are not even though they can give a lot of problems with Shaq needing a lot of attention. Even if Wade is healthy they not better.Yes they are only worse then the Dallas, Suns, and Spurs of course.DET is not EVEN CLOSE to the 4th best Rockets are up there true, but Denver I think are better still. And Jazz are good but also overrated not 4th best for sure just better then DET.[quote name='GArenas' post='322386' date='Mar 31 2007, 12:44 PM']Serge weren't you a Sixers fan before AI went to Denver?This is getting ridiculous, Denver has proved that they don't have the pieces neccesary to make a playoff run. I'm not going to go through the facts becuase everyone has already pointed them out to you and you don't seem to be listening, but let me ask you. With Denver's lackluster defense they will go to shooting slumps and fall behind. Does Denver have the fire-power to score quickly enough to catch up to teams like PHX, GSW, WAS, without a PG forcing Melo/Iverson to take over. I'm not saying that this Denver squad in the future can't accomplish succes but right now there are changes that need to be made to this lineup. There have been to many changes to the squad slowing down their on and off court chemistry along with a ton of other issues so I really can't see them making it past the first round of the playoffs.[/quote]I am still a Sixers fan, but I also follow Denver now just as much. I always will follow AI he deserves a title after all his loyal years here treated like sh*t by GM. And I also like Melo easy to cheer for Denver.HAHA prooven they don't have the pieces? They got AI/Melo 2 guys that take a game a win it them self. They got a shot block in Camby, and they got Nene huge inside force starting to be fast big men to. They got a little power of bench with JR+KL. Your a crazy if you think they don't have enough. Only team better on offense is PHX and still Denver can keep up, GSW, and WAS are you f****** kidding me who are they? LMAO And AI can play PG they should have Blake of the bench and JR start he is taller won't be taking advantage of like Blake can be. And he is fast, and his hands are active can get steals.They atleast a 2nd round team EASY.[quote name='mavsfan1000' post='322718' date='Mar 31 2007, 06:14 PM']I think this proves that Melo and AI are very overrated. I've been saying it for awhile and people got all upset about it. I knew it wouldn't work. The 2 highest scoring players in the league with the least benefits for their team.[/quote]HAHA if anything they prooved they can work together ask BigMo. Just cause they have not won as much yet that don't mean they can't play together and that they have not worked. They have more then worked they are GREAT duo. AI is taking like 7 shots less a game people said he would not give the ball up now they are saying he is not shooting enough you people are a joke. Watch the games he is passing to much now they are deff working out great.[quote name='Something-To-Say' post='322842' date='Mar 31 2007, 09:16 PM']Guys we all know it's the Pistons, so just stop posting, jesus.[/quote]It is far from the Pistons even if you don't agree about the Nuggets. Rockets, Jazz are both clearly better then DET.And if you don't like it don't come in here. Who the heck you think you are telling us what to do?[quote name='Dmoney' post='323463' date='Apr 1 2007, 04:18 PM']Serge is a moron usually he says crazy things, even the Wizards are better than the NUggets.[/quote]I am a moron? haha I been one of the top posters on this board before I had to leave cause I got busy.And Wizards? LMAO Arenas is one of the top most underrated players in the league just like Josh Howard is underrated in the league. And Jamison is good, and Butler but they are not in the same league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Apr 1 2007, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let me make a list of teams better than the Nuggets.MiamiDetroitTorontoWashington ClevelandChicagoDallasPheonixSan AntonioUtahHoustonLos Angeles L (When Healthy)Los Angeles C (When healthy)Hmmm, that makes Denver the 14th best team in the league. That's about the league average, how about that. Serge, I can make a case for why all these teams are better than Denver. Denver doesn't have to consistency to matchup against any of these team. One night all there shots are falling while others none are, now of course there are going to be slower shooting nights than others but Denver has way too many of those "bad shooting nights" and the fact that they play no defense stops Denver from staying in the game. Allen Iverson was not the answer, it left you all without a PG to move the ball around and take open shots and forced every single aspect of Denver's offense to be run through 2 guys.Now I'm not saying that next year Denver won't improve next year but this year they badly needed that training camp with AI in it. Which resulted in a messy offense and poor defense.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Apr 1 2007, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let me make a list of teams better than the Nuggets.Miami NO even though they can give them troubleDetroit NOToronto Not even closeWashington Not even closeCleveland Not even closeChicago Not even closeDallas YES Of CoursePheonix YES Of CourseSan Antonio YES Of CourseUtah NO even though they good they also overrated but can compete with DenverHouston Can also compete with Denver for sure, but not betterLos Angeles L (When Healthy) Not even closeLos Angeles C (When healthy) Not even close WOWHmmm, that makes Denver the 14th best team in the league. That's about the league average, how about that. Serge, I can make a case for why all these teams are better than Denver. Denver doesn't have to consistency to matchup against any of these team. One night all there shots are falling while others none are, now of course there are going to be slower shooting nights than others but Denver has way too many of those "bad shooting nights" and the fact that they play no defense stops Denver from staying in the game. Allen Iverson was not the answer, it left you all without a PG to move the ball around and take open shots and forced every single aspect of Denver's offense to be run through 2 guys.Now I'm not saying that next year Denver won't improve next year but this year they badly needed that training camp with AI in it. Which resulted in a messy offense and poor defense.</div>We got Nene inside very fast getting better big men he can do work inside when shots not falling. And AI can play PG they need to take Blake out replace him with JR. He is taller and won't be taking advantage of on D like Blake can be. And he is active with his hands and fast so he can get a lot of steals. Also AI plays D he trys very hard, and Camby blocks shots he just needs to come out and guard his guy also. Other guys do need to step it up a lot though.And offense is fine they need to tell AI to shoot more and stop passing it to much yes he now is passing to much.
Why does everyone keep saying Utah isn't the 4th best team? The Jazz have been 4th best for practically the entire second half of the season, the only exception was at the AS Break when they were third. Utah has beaten Houston two out of three times, they've beaten Detroit both times, and they are a consistant winner. what else must they do to prove that they are the 4th best?
redneck- I believe Utah and Houston are neck and neck for 4th best team in league, but I give Houston the edge because at any given time, Houston has the 2 best players on the floor in T-Mac and Yao. Yesterday's game could have went either way, and you will rarely see Yao go 0-5 in the 4th, or Houston make some of the dumb mistakes they made yesterday.
I agree that yesterdays game was an anomoly, both teams stunk it up offensively. the problem I see with the Rockets is if you get Yao into foul trouble, the Rockets will really struggle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Apr 2 2007, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No Spurs are better of course.And they won't have a better season record wise, but they are better then the rest.And banned for being a unbearable homer? LMAO I am not a homer, and one of the top active members here when not busy if anyone be banned is you. LOLI am not even a die hard Denver fan I am a Sixers fan, but now watch AI there, and also like Melo I am no homer I am speaking the truth.Not they are not even though they can give a lot of problems with Shaq needing a lot of attention. Even if Wade is healthy they not better.Yes they are only worse then the Dallas, Suns, and Spurs of course.DET is not EVEN CLOSE to the 4th best Rockets are up there true, but Denver I think are better still. And Jazz are good but also overrated not 4th best for sure just better then DET.I am still a Sixers fan, but I also follow Denver now just as much. I always will follow AI he deserves a title after all his loyal years here treated like sh*t by GM. And I also like Melo easy to cheer for Denver.HAHA prooven they don't have the pieces? They got AI/Melo 2 guys that take a game a win it them self. They got a shot block in Camby, and they got Nene huge inside force starting to be fast big men to. They got a little power of bench with JR+KL. Your a crazy if you think they don't have enough. Only team better on offense is PHX and still Denver can keep up, GSW, and WAS are you f****** kidding me who are they? LMAO And AI can play PG they should have Blake of the bench and JR start he is taller won't be taking advantage of like Blake can be. And he is fast, and his hands are active can get steals.They atleast a 2nd round team EASY.HAHA if anything they prooved they can work together ask BigMo. Just cause they have not won as much yet that don't mean they can't play together and that they have not worked. They have more then worked they are GREAT duo. AI is taking like 7 shots less a game people said he would not give the ball up now they are saying he is not shooting enough you people are a joke. Watch the games he is passing to much now they are deff working out great.It is far from the Pistons even if you don't agree about the Nuggets. Rockets, Jazz are both clearly better then DET.And if you don't like it don't come in here. Who the heck you think you are telling us what to do?I am a moron? haha I been one of the top posters on this board before I had to leave cause I got busy.And Wizards? LMAO Arenas is one of the top most underrated players in the league just like Josh Howard is underrated in the league. And Jamison is good, and Butler but they are not in the same league.</div>Posting a lot doesn't make you smart. I agree with Dmoney
