Why Do Many Reasonable People Doubt Science?

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  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    The last time I read the 'Time Machine' I was probably 17. With 20 years between then and now I was blown away by some of his seemingly prescient insights about the state of 'modern man' and where he might be headed - 120 years ago.

    You can almost trace the line between Wells here to Fritz Lang's Metropolis and the commentary they made about how much technology and industrialization has done to dehumanize and devolve our species.

    I'd recommend anybody to read it. I imagine it was heady stuff when it was first published, but it might be even more important and pertinent today . . . particularly for those who are so quick to denounce the scientific method and reason.
     
  2. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    I think a lot of it stems from religion vs science. The notion that God created the Heavens and the earth to the science people is insane. Conversely, taking God out of the equation altogether riles the people of faith. For me, and a lot of Christians, I believe in both. For people not to believe that things have evolved is just stupid, but why can't that have been God's plan all along? On day 1 God created the Heavens and the earth. That "day" was probably not a 24 hour period as we know it now.

    Also, there is a big difference between scientific laws vs scientific theories
     
  3. crandc

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    By the church you mean the Catholic Church? The Catholic Church was never in the forefront of scientific research from its inception. The Church began by destroying classical learning, burning libraries, murdering scholars. The Dark Ages lasted 1000 years. 1000 years of no development in Europe, although science did progress in the Middle East, Asia, and Central America. Even now, when Pope Francis accepts science of global warming, he rejects science on population and on the nature of sexual orientation. The Protestant Reformation in Europe opened the door to the rationalists of the 18th and 19th century but they too had to fight their church.

    It is true many great scientists of yesteryear developed methods still in use. And most were believers. But they had to fight their church. Bruno was burned at the stake, Galileo forced to recant, Copernicus exiled.
     
  4. SlyPokerDog

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    That is both a strength and the hypocrisy of Christian based religions. The ability to so easily move from the literal to the figurative as the literal is proved wrong. Reinterpreting the actual word of god to a new meaning is how Christianity will continue to prosper in the future.
     
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  5. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I am not saying "The Church", as in "Catholic Church" has their hands clean, but they definitely funded much research for science. Btw, I'm not catholic and do not support their ideology. The reference is theists have been very influential in the progress of science. Using the "dark ages" as the totality of their contribution is laughable. Can I use the communists to generalize the entire "non believer" community as well?
     
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    What part don't you support?
     
  7. Mediocre Man

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    The part about molesting altar boys is probably something he doesn't support. I can't speak for mags though.

    Oh thats gonna get me in trouble with someone, I'm sure
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    The part where they believe that one man have more entitlement than another
     
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    I think you're confussing this with Obamas platform.
     
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    magnifier, we are talking about two different things. I never denied that believers, including Christian believers, including Catholic, have made important and even critical contributions to science. Of course they had. My post was about the Catholic Church as an institution being anti-science, to the point of burning at the stake.

    And more recently, the opposition to teaching modern biology, largely from Protestant but also Muslim and Jewish fundamentalists.

    In fact the very idea that nature follows given laws was declared heresy.
     
  11. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I must have misunderstood you then. Sorry
     
  12. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    I could have, but didn't want to.

    (trying to keep a straight face)
     
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    That's because u are stuck in the dark ages. How the fuck does a race that can travel through space and time decide a crossbow is the best weapon to use?!
     
  14. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Why leave out the choirboys, MM? WTF? Are they not cute enough for you?
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    It's a LASER crossbow. LASER.

    And I can shoot the Patchouli stank off of a hippie at fifty paces with one...
     
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  17. MarAzul

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    I don't get the hypocrisy part. Please fill me in.
     
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    I think you will find "the church" meaning the Catholic church never burn anyone at the stake. Some misinformed ass holes wearing robes did though. There is nothing in the teachings of Jesus
    about burning anyone at the stake or anywhere else, so a man that takes up this activity under the robes of the church is simply abusing his assumed power.

    We have a similar misuse of power going on today with the current Pope touting Climate change. You know damn well he has no science behind him on how to stop climate change, but he does like the idea of Carbon Tax money getting distributed about. I think he intends to play a big role in where it is distributed.
     
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    Probably to the needy. You know, like Jesus would do.
     
  20. MarAzul

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    I don't recall Jesus backing a scam to fleece everyone for needs of the needy. Sound more like Robin Hood. But what ever, I am sure
    you will not like the fleecing.
     

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