Actually, I don't see a problem with Kobe complaining. Why shouldn't he want to win? It's nice to see he cares about winning. If you don't want to win you shouldn't be in the NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 6 2007, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That isn't a championship team. Farmar is not a championship PG, and their bench will have too many holes. But a few FA signings and a good draft pick and IMO they will be right in the mix for a title.</div>Are you telling me that Rick Fox and Derek Fisher were WAY better then Farmar and Luke? Fish and Fox were no all-stars. Farmar and Luke may not be all-stars either, but with Kobe and KG, it makes them play at higher level.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you telling me that Rick Fox and Derek Fisher were WAY better then Farmar and Luke? Fish and Fox were no all-stars. Farmar and Luke may not be all-stars either, but with Kobe and KG, it makes them play at higher level.</div>Karl MaloneGary PaytonShaqKobeEddie JonesNick Van Exelwere all stars. who cares about fisher and fox?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 6 2007, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Karl MaloneGary PaytonShaqKobeEddie JonesNick Van Exelwere all stars. who cares about fisher and fox?</div>...........For the 3 titles we did win, Fox and Fisher were are starters...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>...........For the 3 titles we did win, Fox and Fisher were are starters...</div>so? there were 6 all stars or former all stars on the team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 6 2007, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Karl MaloneGary PaytonShaqKobeEddie JonesNick Van Exelwere all stars. who cares about fisher and fox?</div>Karl MaloneGary PaytonEddie JonesNick Van Exelweren't on several of their championship teams. That's like saying the '94 rockets had Scottie Pippen and Charles Barkley
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MrBigShot_23 @ May 6 2007, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just dont get this. Kobe with his stupid shot choice, and his lack of team involvement is part of the reason the Lakers are losing. Dont blame it on your teammates, ass hole. People say the Lakers dont have much around Kobe, I find that BS. They have some good solid players who would do better if Kobe gave them better opportunitys.</div>You're an idiot. :HAHAHA:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChuckTheD @ May 6 2007, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The problem is, if he doesn't push it, management really isn't gonna do anything. You don't understand Mitch Kupchack. He won't do any deals sending out anyone with any potential or bringing in anyone who has any chance of not panning out. Because of those parameters, he's passed on a lot of talent over the years. With Kobe voicing his frustration, that'll change. The team they have right now isn't gonna win a championship any time soon, and Kobe's in his prime so why not go for the chip now. This summer they'll make serious runs for big name players. With Kobe basically telling him to do it, they're now free to empty out anyone on the team (except for Bryant). With Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom, they can get some serious players. So, Kobe complaining could very well lead to some good deals for the Lakers down the line, it could also lead to some bad deals, but they need to take that risk. You don't get anywhere without taking risks (look at West trading for Kobe).Farmar has all the tools to a championship caliber point guard. He's basketball IQ is very high, he can defend reasonably well, he's 20 and already one of the more vocal leaders on the team, he's not afraid to take big shots, and he's overall just very talented. I can easily see him being a point guard on a championship team. If Derek Fisher can do it, Jordan Farmar can.</div>Exactly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 6 2007, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're an idiot. :HAHAHA:Exactly.</div>Would you mind elaborating, King Know It All :worthy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MrBigShot_23 @ May 6 2007, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would you mind elaborating, King Know It All :worthy:</div>You are just funny because you have no real idea of what you are talking about. You say Kobe needs to get more involved but there was a point this season where Kobe was getting 7 and 8 assists per game. Injuries created a huge blow to the team and Kobe took on the scoring load. In the playoffs, game 1 he took some silly shots but that was really the only time I have seen Kobe like that. Kobe has been a great facilitator this year and scorer when he was called upon to do so. It is just mind boggling that you are blaming Kobe for all this and saying he needs to make better opportunities for teammates. Have you watched Kobe this year? Just look at his play in the playoffs. One of the games against the Suns(forgot which game), he had 9 assists! There was even a game this year when he had 9 assists in the first half alone. (Against Denver, I believe) Also, how is Kobe blaming his teammates? He's not. He is simply blaming the management. You obviously didn't hear what Kobe had to say. Kobe stated how proud he was of his teammates and how injuries played a big part. He just said he's tired of losing and needs some more help. That's all he said! Here watch his interview: http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom...t_pc_070502.asx
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you telling me that Rick Fox and Derek Fisher were WAY better then Farmar and Luke? Fish and Fox were no all-stars. Farmar and Luke may not be all-stars either, but with Kobe and KG, it makes them play at higher level.</div>I never said that, but they were veterans and had lots of playoff experience. And personally, give me Fisher over Farmar anyday (never even brough tup Luke, no idea why you did). They also had a much better, more experienced supporting cast who knew what it took to win in the playoffs (Robert Horry, Glen Rice, Ron Harper, AC Green, Shaq himself, etc...). This Lakers team doesn't have this kind of experience.
I guess so..I know that he wants to win and doesn't want to be wasted in his prime but I mean if he isn't happy he should either opt out when his contract ends or do this behind closed doors..I'm not saying that this is completely bad but when guys went like a decade without saying a word I just find it weird that he would do this after 3 years...I also think even though Kidd coming to the Lakers could have made an impact...that's just like a 2-4 year window..where Bynum (with Kareem Abdul Jabbar teaching him) is like a 10-15 year window..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ May 6 2007, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I also think even though Kidd coming to the Lakers could have made an impact...that's just like a 2-4 year window..where Bynum (with Kareem Abdul Jabbar teaching him) is like a 10-15 year window..</div>1) You are not getting the point...Kobe wants to win while he is still best player in the league level. That is about a 3-4 year window. I don't think Kidd would have been the answer, but KG sure could fit the bill.2) Bynum is far from being a guaranteed all star, and doesn't have the upside of a Dwight or Amare. He is worth giving up (and imagine KG with Kareeem teaching him some post moves?!?).
Bynum is pretty overrated.So you would want Kobe to opt out cold turkey instead if trying to push his organization to get more talent? You mentioned he should keep it behind doors...maybe he has and nothing still hasnt happened. Kobe is doing the smart thing. You also mentioned the players who never complain...like Allen Iverson, KG, Paul Pierce? AH!!! Great role models for Kobe...hey lets be quiet and let my career turn into dust. Kobe is smarter than that...
Bynum is frighteningly overrated. Terrible one-on-one defender, limited post moves, doesn't have the strength of a Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudemire, low basketball IQ...Just cause a player is young doesn't mean you can't trade him. The Lakers need to trade bait him, and possibly Odom over the summer.
Which might make trading him incredibly tough. I'm sorry, but I don't see much changing in Laker land.
I love this, the Lakers, winning championships and having the best players for decades are now forced to deal with what most of us have had to deal with..averageness. The Lakers are in a pretty bad spot right now, average draft picks and young talent re-signing instead of testing the market. Considering how hard it is to change a team, I can understand Laker management being in a tough spot, but I won't blame Bryant for making it an issue.
what I love is that only the lakers would have hope that they could become a contender soon from this position.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ May 6 2007, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>what I love is that only the lakers would have hope that they could become a contender soon from this position.</div> Exactly. "Well, let's go get Jermaine O'Neal"
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 6 2007, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never said that, but they were veterans and had lots of playoff experience. And personally, give me Fisher over Farmar anyday (never even brough tup Luke, no idea why you did). They also had a much better, more experienced supporting cast who knew what it took to win in the playoffs (Robert Horry, Glen Rice, Ron Harper, AC Green, Shaq himself, etc...). This Lakers team doesn't have this kind of experience.</div>Luke and Farmar are the 1 and 3 right now. Fox and Fisher were the 1 and 3 before. Now, Fox and Fisher were more experienced, but, they aren't that much on top of Farmar and Luke. Farmar has a chance to grow and become a very succesful PG in LA, more so then Fisher. And, Luke Walton is as good or better then the player Rick Fox was. So if the Lakers can bring in that other all-star player, like KG, there team now becomes an legitimate title contender, like back in the day where it was Kobe and Shaq.
