<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ May 6 2007, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>what I love is that only the lakers would have hope that they could become a contender soon from this position.</div>? Only hope? There is no hoping that we will be a contender with KG or Jermaine, it would be a FACT. The Lakers would be a legitimate title contender if they can hit the jackpot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Luke and Farmar are the 1 and 3 right now. Fox and Fisher were the 1 and 3 before. Now, Fox and Fisher were more experienced, but, they aren't that much on top of Farmar and Luke. Farmar has a chance to grow and become a very succesful PG in LA, more so then Fisher. And, Luke Walton is as good or better then the player Rick Fox was. So if the Lakers can bring in that other all-star player, like KG, there team now becomes an legitimate title contender, like back in the day where it was Kobe and Shaq.</div>Again, I never brough tup the 3 position or Walton. I think Walton is fine as a SF. My problem is with Farmar and Odom. Farmar could be a good PG some day, but in next 2-3 years I don't think he will get enough experience deep in playoffs and won't have the kind of veteran help to overshadow his inexperience like Fisher had.Again, this is a much tougher league, and even with KG this team won't be as good as those Laker teams. They don't have enough firepower or veteran help.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>? Only hope? There is no hoping that we will be a contender with KG or Jermaine, it would be a FACT. The Lakers would be a legitimate title contender if they can hit the jackpot.</div> Yeah, we all saw what happened with the 2-man show in Houston in the playoff's. That's probably what it would be like if you traded for a star player. Not a lot of depth left.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 6 2007, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, we all saw what happened with the 2-man show in Houston in the playoff's. That's probably what it would be like if you traded for a star player. Not a lot of depth left.</div>Are you saying you'd rather have T-Mac and Yao over Kobe and KG? And I never said we wouldn't go out and sign more vet help. We would definately need to, and with the addition of a KG, it would make LA that much more attractive. Remember when Malone and Payton came in? Why do you think they signed up? To have a better chance of a ring with Kobe/Shaq.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>? Only hope? There is no hoping that we will be a contender with KG or Jermaine, it would be a FACT. The Lakers would be a legitimate title contender if they can hit the jackpot.</div>Wouldn't any team be a legitimate title contender if they can "hit the jackpot"? I just don't think the Lakers can get a guy like O'Neal or Garnett without giving up a lot of their depth and glue players
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you saying you'd rather have T-Mac and Yao over Kobe and KG? And I never said we wouldn't go out and sign more vet help. We would definately need to, and with the addition of a KG, it would make LA that much more attractive. Remember when Malone and Payton came in? Why do you think they signed up? To have a better chance of a ring with Kobe/Shaq.</div> Ugh, I'm simply saying, if you add KG you have to give up a chunk of your rotation, thus, making you into a version of the Houston Rockets with 2 super-stars and a subpare supporting cast....those two contracts would make filling in a supporting case almost impossible (unless KG takes a cut with his next deal after next season).....Having very good guys come in for much less money late in they're careers is a rarity....I wouldn't expect it to happen in LA again....Miami is going to feel it coming up with Wade's new contract taking effect. Players like winning, but many of them like shots/cash just as much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 6 2007, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ugh, I'm simply saying, if you add KG you have to give up a chunk of your rotation, thus, making you into a version of the Houston Rockets with 2 super-stars and a subpare supporting cast....those two contracts would make filling in a supporting case almost impossible.....Having very good guys come in for much less money late in they're careers is a rarity....I wouldn't expect it to happen in LA again....Miami is going to feel it coming up with Wade's new contract taking effect. Players like winning, but many of them like shots/cash just as much.</div>I see where your coming from. BUT, the Miami situation is a bit different. Shaq's going to be a little older, little less effective. However, look at there roster, and all the vets they have on their team. Now look at the youth and the Lakers. The Lakers have a chance to grow there youngsters in to bigtime role players alongside a Kobe/KG duo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I see where your coming from. BUT, the Miami situation is a bit different. Shaq's going to be a little older, little less effective. However, look at there roster, and all the vets they have on their team. Now look at the youth and the Lakers. The Lakers have a chance to grow there youngsters in to bigtime role players alongside a Kobe/KG duo.</div>No they don't. If BYnum is gone, the only youngster who can really improve quite a bit is Farmar. IF Lakers get KG, they will need players who are at/near the top of their game right now and have veteran experience. Due to the fact that the Lakers don't have the trade bait the Heat had, they will have harder time getting those kinds of players.But as I said, I'd rather take my chance with trading for KG then taking a year or 2 to build around Kobe/KG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 6 2007, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No they don't. If BYnum is gone, the only youngster who can really improve quite a bit is Farmar. IF Lakers get KG, they will need players who are at/near the top of their game right now and have veteran experience. Due to the fact that the Lakers don't have the trade bait the Heat had, they will have harder time getting those kinds of players.But as I said, I'd rather take my chance with trading for KG then taking a year or 2 to build around Kobe/KG.</div>Farmar, Sasha, Cook, Luke, Mihm, Turiaf, Evans. All of those guys are still really young. The oldest players on the team right not are McKie and Shammond, and both may not be back next year.
yeah but most of those players aren't players to build around..you don't build around Sasha Vujacic..sorry
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ May 6 2007, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah but most of those players aren't players to build around..you don't build around Sasha Vujacic..sorry</div>Build around? No you build around the stars, Kobe and KG. Then Sasha becomes a much better player, as he's surronded by 2 much better players, with so much experience. H
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Farmar, Sasha, Cook, Luke, Mihm, Turiaf, Evans. All of those guys are still really young. The oldest players on the team right not are McKie and Shammond, and both may not be back next year.</div>And how many of those players do you really think are quality role players on a championship team? Would you put them up there with the likes of Rice, Horry, Fox, Fisher, Payton, Malone, Harper, etc...?They will have holes that they will need to fill around KG and Kobe to be a championship team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 6 2007, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And how many of those players do you really think are quality role players on a championship team? Would you put them up there with the likes of Rice, Horry, Fox, Fisher, Payton, Malone, Harper, etc...?</div>I agree with your overall point, but bringing up Payton and Malone wasn't too good a reference.Both of them did not fit, did not play with as much energy, and did not win like Fisher or Horry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 6 2007, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And how many of those players do you really think are quality role players on a championship team? Would you put them up there with the likes of Rice, Horry, Fox, Fisher, Payton, Malone, Harper, etc...?They will have holes that they will need to fill around KG and Kobe to be a championship team.</div>Malone and Payton have nothing to do with this. They are both hall of famers. I'm talking about the significant role players. If Kobe can get a KG, our role players look alot better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>? Only hope? There is no hoping that we will be a contender with KG or Jermaine, it would be a FACT. The Lakers would be a legitimate title contender if they can hit the jackpot.</div>yeah, but the point is the Lakers are the only team with few tradable pieces that expect they're gonna get KG because....they're the Lakers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 6 2007, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are just funny because you have no real idea of what you are talking about. You say Kobe needs to get more involved but there was a point this season where Kobe was getting 7 and 8 assists per game. Injuries created a huge blow to the team and Kobe took on the scoring load. In the playoffs, game 1 he took some silly shots but that was really the only time I have seen Kobe like that. Kobe has been a great facilitator this year and scorer when he was called upon to do so. It is just mind boggling that you are blaming Kobe for all this and saying he needs to make better opportunities for teammates. Have you watched Kobe this year? Just look at his play in the playoffs. One of the games against the Suns(forgot which game), he had 9 assists! There was even a game this year when he had 9 assists in the first half alone. (Against Denver, I believe) Also, how is Kobe blaming his teammates? He's not. He is simply blaming the management. You obviously didn't hear what Kobe had to say. Kobe stated how proud he was of his teammates and how injuries played a big part. He just said he's tired of losing and needs some more help. That's all he said! Here watch his interview: http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom...t_pc_070502.asx</div>A HUGE point this year where Kobe was getting 7 or 8 assists a game? I doubt it was a huge point, considering his assist numbers would be higher. I'm sick of the people who point out that he has some high assist games. Assists are statistics. Statistics do not prove anything, when considering how many fadeaway shots he has tooken when he is double teamed. Do they have a stat on that? Assists are simply recorded when a player makes a pass, leading to a hoop while it is in that players possession. That does not include, swinging the ball to a player, and then THAT player finds someone open. That does not include, setting screens for OTHER players.From Mark Twain himself: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."You say "How is Kobe blaming his teammates?". I find that funny, because telling the administration that they need better players, last time I checked, was considered criticizing his CURRENT teammates. Sure he gave them credit, but that was after he thought "Hmm...maybe I shouldnt call out my teammtes on national television" in his head. But he sure as hell meant it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart? @ May 6 2007, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with your overall point, but bringing up Payton and Malone wasn't too good a reference.Both of them did not fit, did not play with as much energy, and did not win like Fisher or Horry.</div>Malone was very good defensively for the team, and both were very experienced and had been to the Finals. Payton didn't quite fit, and injuries eventually took a toll on Malone.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Malone and Payton have nothing to do with this. They are both hall of famers. I'm talking about the significant role players. If Kobe can get a KG, our role players look alot better.</div>They were role players on the Lakers, and played like role players. Even though injuries and akwardness was a problem for that team, they were still big parts in getting them to the Finals. But look at those other players, or look at the players that surrounded the Heat this past season, or the Spurs of the last 8 years. The role players on the Lakers don't match up, and the addition of KG alone won't bring this team a championship. They will need new and different role players for it to fully work out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ May 6 2007, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, but the point is the Lakers are the only team with few tradable pieces that expect they're gonna get KG because....they're the Lakers.</div>Come on man, you got to bring stronger backup then that. We won't get KG because we're the Lakers? WEAK. We have the pieces in place. We got some good players that Minny would consider. Bynum, Odom, Kwame, ect.
So you're gonna give up the entire depth with big men with the chance that the Lakers don't win an NBA title?What if you don't win the title with the KG/Kobe experiment..what happens?Honestly there's plenty of other teams with more trade pieces than the Lakers for Garnett
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ May 6 2007, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you're gonna give up the entire depth with big men with the chance that the Lakers don't win an NBA title?What if you don't win the title with the KG/Kobe experiment..what happens?Honestly there's plenty of other teams with more trade pieces than the Lakers for Garnett</div>So you'd rather have a team of Farmar/Kobe/Luke/Odom/Kwame over a team like...Farmar/Kobe/Luke/KG/Mihm?
