So what's your bench for that team?The Lakers are already weak of depth as it is..now they're gonna weaken that?Laughable2 players aren't gonna make a team win a title as good as they are..you need role players and glue players too
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ May 6 2007, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So what's your bench for that team?The Lakers are already weak of depth as it is..now they're gonna weaken that?Laughable2 players aren't gonna make a team win a title as good as they are..you need role players and glue players too</div>What have I been saying in this thread? With that attraction, vets are gonna come here for cheap.
He had help but because of his big ego ran his help off so I'm glad to see him struggle. I'm so sick of everyone calling guys like AI selfish and all about him but Kobe is the same way and I think Kobe is worse. AI has embraced his help and all of that good stuff, Kobe had help and had a chance to win many more championships but all of that went away because it was all about him, him, and him, it just had to be his team. Even now, he goes my guys, my team and all of that b/s, he's just real cocky and selfish to me so I don't feel bad at all for him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTP @ May 6 2007, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He had help but because of his big ego ran his help off so I'm glad to see him struggle. I'm so sick of everyone calling guys like AI selfish and all about him but Kobe is the same way and I think Kobe is worse. AI has embraced his help and all of that good stuff, Kobe had help and had a chance to win many more championships but all of that went away because it was all about him, him, and him, it just had to be his team. Even now, he goes my guys, my team and all of that b/s, he's just real cocky and selfish to me so I don't feel bad at all for him.</div>His big ego? He hasn't said anything negative like this in 3 years. Kobe isn't selfish, he just doesn't want his career to be wasted with poor management. There is so much potential for LA, but we need to do some wheeling and dealing, and do it, NOW!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MrBigShot_23 @ May 6 2007, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A HUGE point this year where Kobe was getting 7 or 8 assists a game? I doubt it was a huge point, considering his assist numbers would be higher. I'm sick of the people who point out that he has some high assist games. Assists are statistics. Statistics do not prove anything, when considering how many fadeaway shots he has tooken when he is double teamed. Do they have a stat on that? Assists are simply recorded when a player makes a pass, leading to a hoop while it is in that players possession. That does not include, swinging the ball to a player, and then THAT player finds someone open. That does not include, setting screens for OTHER players.From Mark Twain himself: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."You say "How is Kobe blaming his teammates?". I find that funny, because telling the administration that they need better players, last time I checked, was considered criticizing his CURRENT teammates. Sure he gave them credit, but that was after he thought "Hmm...maybe I shouldnt call out my teammtes on national television" in his head. But he sure as hell meant it.</div>You're a f*cking retard. I never said it was a "huge" point, and Kobe did a great job passing the ball. At one time in the season he was averaging about 6 assists per game. He averaged over 5 this year! He was a facilitator for most of the year up until when Lamar, Luke, and Kwame were hurt. At that point, the Lakers changed from a fast break, scrappy team into a half court team because the injuries limited them so much. New players were getting into the rotation trying to understand the triangle more etc. Kobe had to take on the scoring load in a big way. He had to shoot alot more as a result. I am willing to bet that you haven't watched more than 3 Laker games this season. You can't possibly know what you are talking about. You hate Kobe so much it blinds you. And wtf, because Kobe says they need some better players that means he is criticizing his teammates? Kobe stated plain and simple that he appreciated his teammates this year and knew they were fighting an up hill battle with injuries etc. Point being he isn't blaming his teammates because he knows they have been through a lot. He is asking for more help. HE IS NOT BLAMING THEM. Do you not understand the difference? It's not their fault they are not the most talented players in the world, but they gave it their all. Aside from Kobe and Lamar, the Lakers are not a very talented team. Kobe knows it, and his teammates themselves know it. They also know that to win games they need to be a faster pace, passing team (like the start of the year. )
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 6 2007, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're a f*cking retard. I never said it was a "huge" point, and Kobe did a great job passing the ball. At one time in the season he was averaging about 6 assists per game. He averaged over 5 this year! He was a facilitator for most of the year up until when Lamar, Luke, and Kwame were hurt. At that point, the Lakers changed from a fast break, scrappy team into a half court team because the injuries limited them so much. New players were getting into the rotation trying to understand the triangle more etc. Kobe had to take on the scoring load in a big way. He had to shoot alot more as a result. I am willing to bet that you haven't watched more than 3 Laker games this season. You can't possibly know what you are talking about. You hate Kobe so much it blinds you. And wtf, because Kobe says they need some better players that means he is criticizing his teammates? Kobe stated plain and simple that he appreciated his teammates this year and knew they were fighting an up hill battle with injuries etc. Point being he isn't blaming his teammates because he knows they have been through a lot. He is asking for more help. HE IS NOT BLAMING THEM. Do you not understand the difference? It's not their fault they are not the most talented players in the world, but they gave it their all. Aside from Kobe and Lamar, the Lakers are not a very talented team. Kobe knows it, and his teammates themselves know it. They also know that to win games they need to be a faster pace, passing team (like the start of the year. )</div>Whoa, calm down man. Attack the post, not the poster. I agree with your opinions though. One thing funny about this thread is, all the Laker fans want KG, and all the non-laker fans think KG/Kobe would be a dumb idea.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Whoa, calm down man. Attack the post, not the poster.</div>Yeah, sorry about that. I just get heated when people blame everything on Kobe just because they dislike him. People like that don't understand the situation, and I guess when that's the case it's easy to just blame the leader, Kobe.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTP @ May 6 2007, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He had help but because of his big ego ran his help off so I'm glad to see him struggle. I'm so sick of everyone calling guys like AI selfish and all about him but Kobe is the same way and I think Kobe is worse. AI has embraced his help and all of that good stuff, Kobe had help and had a chance to win many more championships but all of that went away because it was all about him, him, and him, it just had to be his team. Even now, he goes my guys, my team and all of that b/s, he's just real cocky and selfish to me so I don't feel bad at all for him.</div>The Difference between Kobe and AI is that Kobe is used to winning. He is a player on the Los Angeles Lakers, a franchise used to winning. His whole basketball career is revolved around winning. Do you understand? Kobe wants to win because that's all he knows. He and his team haven't done anything for the past 3 years. If he has to say something through the media for the management to realize he needs more help than I'm fine with that. Before Kobe made his comments, the management wasn't really going to do anything this offseason. I am glad Kobe said what he said. He needs help.
Sorry if I missed anything coming into this discussion - don't feel like reading the entire thread...but I think he wants to be able to savor his prime....sure he's won 3 titles, but when you see someone as staggering as Kobe perform...and to come up shorthanded as he has the last few years in utter failure..I guess it kind of wrecks his tenacity. But then again, its 4 years...and again, he's the best player in the NBA. Who knows.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (His Greatness @ May 6 2007, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry if I missed anything coming into this discussion - don't feel like reading the entire thread...but I think he wants to be able to savor his prime....sure he's won 3 titles, but when you see someone as staggering as Kobe perform...and to come up shorthanded as he has the last few years in utter failure..I guess it kind of wrecks his tenacity. But then again, its 4 years...and again, he's the best player in the NBA. Who knows.</div>Finally, someoone besides myself and LakersFan247 have gotten it right. And oh btw, when Iverson and KG were in there prime, they did have players around them. Iverson went to the NBA Finals, KG ended up in the West. Conf finals. Now, Kobe is a much better impact player then either of the 2. He's proven he can single handedly win a game. So if we can bring in that extra piece, botta bing botta boom, it's back to the old days. All the haters are scared to admit it.
My point is he had help with Shaq but because of his big ego he ran Shaq off and now he has to live with it. What superstar big man has AI ran out of Philly? Yeah, none. Put AI and Shaq on a team and I bet there would be no problems, AI is about winning I believe more than Kobe is but Ai comes off as the selfish one which is wrong imo. If Kobe cared about winning then that whole this is my team bullcrap that took place with him and Shaq forever wouldn't have mattered, he got his wish and now he's complaining. I've never see a player go 1 on 5 as much as Kobe, I know the support crew in LA isn't that great but I've seen in some games when he just ballhogged and it didn't help that team at all, the dude is just selfish.
Kobe didn't run out Shaq. The Lakers organization refused to give Shaq the money he wanted due to declining age, so they traded him. Those role players were also getting old and either retiring/heading to different teams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTP @ May 6 2007, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My point is he had help with Shaq but because of his big ego he ran Shaq off and now he has to live with it. What superstar big man has AI ran out of Philly? Yeah, none. Put AI and Shaq on a team and I bet there would be no problems, AI is about winning I believe more than Kobe is but Ai comes off as the selfish one which is wrong imo. If Kobe cared about winning then that whole this is my team bullcrap that took place with him and Shaq forever wouldn't have mattered, he got his wish and now he's complaining. I've never see a player go 1 on 5 as much as Kobe, I know the support crew in LA isn't that great but I've seen in some games when he just ballhogged and it didn't help that team at all, the dude is just selfish.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 7 2007, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe didn't run out Shaq. The Lakers organization refused to give Shaq the money he wanted due to declining age, so they traded him. Those role players were also getting old and either retiring/heading to different teams.</div>and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qQPBt7QW5Q
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 7 2007, 06:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe never ran Shaq out of town. It was Shaq's big ego that ran himself out of town.</div>exactly I mean its not Kobe who ran Shaq as Nitro said they didnt pay him the money he wanted and previous relationships with other teammates Eddie Jones, Nick Van Axel Penny Hardaway proves why he just couldn't get a long with anyone and to be honest I think he has the biggest ego in the NBA.
Shaq and Kobe both had huge parts in it as well as management and all of that but if Kobe really wanted Shaq back I'm sure they all could have worked something out. We all know Kobe wanted Shaq out of there, and I still stand by my opininon of Kobe ran Shaq out of there. I'm just pretty much saying I'm tired of guys like AI constantly being called selfish and all that when Kobe out there going 1 on 5 every night. The dude is selflish and cocky, I think everyone can see that and that's why I don't feel bad for him at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 6 2007, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is so much potential for LA, but we need to do some wheeling and dealing, and do it, NOW!</div> Sorry, but you guys don't have the pieces needed to land a superstar....it's looking even more grim with Jermaine O'Neal looking towards New York. (Not that you had a shot at O'Neal anyway). Just face it, you guys are not going to land a star this off-season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 7 2007, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, but you guys don't have the pieces needed to land a superstar....it's looking even more grim with Jermaine O'Neal looking towards New York. (Not that you had a shot at O'Neal anyway). Just face it, you guys are not going to land a star this off-season.</div>I don't believe that. I honestly think we are going to make a big splash, it's time.
You know DTP? You're right about Kobe going "5 on 1", about Kobe "ballhogging"...you still fail to fathom the amount of patience a superstar with the title "Best Player in the NBA" has.....the Team Field Goal Percentage statistic is so obscure that there's almost no way to apprehend that the Lakers probably miss the most open shots. But who cares....its all on Kobe.And here are two rhetorical question to sum up the Lakers in a nutshell: When was the last time a Lakers player other than Kobe had an open shot and actually converted? When was the last time Kobe had an open shot at all?Saying Kobe is a ballhog is so yesterday.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 6 2007, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're a f*cking retard. I never said it was a "huge" point, and Kobe did a great job passing the ball. At one time in the season he was averaging about 6 assists per game. He averaged over 5 this year! He was a facilitator for most of the year up until when Lamar, Luke, and Kwame were hurt. At that point, the Lakers changed from a fast break, scrappy team into a half court team because the injuries limited them so much. New players were getting into the rotation trying to understand the triangle more etc. Kobe had to take on the scoring load in a big way. He had to shoot alot more as a result. I am willing to bet that you haven't watched more than 3 Laker games this season. You can't possibly know what you are talking about. You hate Kobe so much it blinds you. And wtf, because Kobe says they need some better players that means he is criticizing his teammates? Kobe stated plain and simple that he appreciated his teammates this year and knew they were fighting an up hill battle with injuries etc. Point being he isn't blaming his teammates because he knows they have been through a lot. He is asking for more help. HE IS NOT BLAMING THEM. Do you not understand the difference? It's not their fault they are not the most talented players in the world, but they gave it their all. Aside from Kobe and Lamar, the Lakers are not a very talented team. Kobe knows it, and his teammates themselves know it. They also know that to win games they need to be a faster pace, passing team (like the start of the year. )</div>LMAO, I like how I just stated that assists mean nothing to me, and dont prove anything and the first thing you do is throw some more assist stats out there. OOOO over 5 assists a game. Thats 25th among starting guards (PG, SG), which is quite pathetic for a guy who plays almost the whole game. I have in fact watched more than 3 Laker games this year, buddy. I watch any NBA game when it is on TV. Also, I dont hate Kobe. He actually is one of my favorite players in terms of skills and leadership, but it just sickens me to see him ruining the game of basketball. Basketball was meant to be a team sport, and Kobe is the anti of that.You dont get it. How the hell is saying that they need more help, not criticizing his players. Thats basically stating, "Hey the players I have around me aren't good enough right now, so go get me some better ones!" Maybe Kobe should deal with what he has, instead of having his front office go out and buy him players. Did the great ones, tell the office they needed better players? No. They led the teams they had and got the players around them better.
Let's call it "New York Yankees" Syndrome. A franchise spends so many years (like 50) as the model of consistancy and success and then, they fall off and become "normal". Under Jerry Buss, the Lakers can't be touched and because of that, everybody bitches when they spend two f*cking years losing in the first round. I think Kobe is a little premature, I mean the team was plagued with injuries and never had a shot after that. Let's at least see if this team has a shot when healthy. Even then, a GM can make better decisions. But you guys don't realize one important factor. The Lakers organization has to please one of the most spoiled and unreasonable fanbases in the country. How do you please fans who expect nothing less than a trip to the finals every year? You don't, you tell them to shut the F*ck up while you crank out the next dynasty just like you have been for the last 58 years, they'll fall into line.
