And like I said, this entire thread is based on the assumption, that this relationship is our society's typical relationship in which commitments have been made. And our society's typical assumption (whether you agree with it or not) is that marriage is a lifetime commitment. If you want to make an argument based on a corner case, go ahead and be my guest. It isn't interesting though.
I don't agree with you, though, about what the "typical assumption" is. I think it's pretty obvious that these days people do not view marriage as a lifetime commitment. I think most people go into marriages realizing that it is not a lifetime commitment and that they'll divorce if it doesn't work out. I don't think you're actually arguing the standard assumption...I think you're trying to play on the technicality of legacy words like "til death do us part," even if most people don't actually think that way these days.
It doesn't matter what YOU agree with. Why don't you get back to me with the percentage of marriages in our society that contain vows stating something like "lifetime" or "death do us part". You and I both know it will be the majority.
As I said, you're playing on a technicality...words that are merely (Christian, in this society) tradition, rather than what actual societal expectations are these days. I thought you were interested in honest debate, not games-playing. Sorry to misunderstand you.
No worries... you misunderstand often. You want to turn my statement that the majority of weddings in our society contain vows related to "lifetime" into me "playing on a technicality". Clearly most people don't view the marriage ceremony and its significance as a technicality.
If you feel that way, then I'm sorry that I incorrectly assume positive things about you too much. Nice moving of the goal posts. You realized that it was silly to hang onto the technicality, that mouthing words based in tradition didn't mean that most of society sees marriage as a lifetime vow. So you moved on to a strawman about the "significance" of a marriage ceremony. Marriage ceremonies are important to people. I think it's clear that it's no longer a societal expectation that marriages are lifetime pacts.
Nice moving of the goal posts. I said "lifetime"-ish vows are made during marriages, the majority of weddings. I never said that societal expectation is that marriages are for a lifetime. If you want to argue whether those people mean them at the time or if they are just "technicalities", go for it. I'll smile and nod. Clearly there are a lot of quitters refusing to take responsibility for themselves and their commitments, and it has become commonplace for people to give up on their marriages. And like I said, those people are breaking vows that they made. It is unfortunate that you seem to also fall into and condone that mindset.
Excellent. Who said civil discourse is gone? Quitting is the best. I, myself, am a nine-time divorcee and I highly recommend it. On a side note, I love your newly-coined term "lifetime-ish." I need to use that more.
Well, it appears she will be leaving me. In fact, one of her "citations" against me was that I had occasionally delved into internet porn. She called it my "cyber girlfriend". So, there ya go.
Yep, really. I just found a nice, little basement apartment in Milwaukie close to work. I'm "hopeful" that this will be just a separation. We shall see, we shall see. Anyway, thanks.
Well worst case scenario, if it doesn't, I'm sure we can go cougar hunting. Or would that be normal hunting?
I remember meeting you at the Wheels Happy Hour. I said to myself, "That westnob dude seems like a pretty nice guy. Probably would be a cool dude to down a couple of brews with." Well?
as long as you're gentle ;] But honestly, I don't like beer. Well drinks for me, i'm kind of a wuss like that. We should have a general bs meet up soon!
