I mean I know Nash is a hustle guy and wants to make plays, but he had NO CHANCE at making this. And no Im not a Nash hater, Im just wondering what was going through his mind with Kobe ready to soar to the basket and him not even set yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXJy3bVv_W4
He was probably thinking the same thing as the time when he saw Ricky Davis running up the court: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgVq9qQ7vc...h=Ricky%20Davis
Is it just me, or was that dunk totally a charge? He had his feet set, was outside the arch and was there before Kobe. I guess the refs were blinded by the admittedly badassness of the dunk itself.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">Is it just me, or was that dunk totally a charge? He had his feet set, was outside the arch and was there before Kobe. I guess the refs were blinded by the admittedly badassness of the dunk itself.</div> It was close, but I think he got there too late. And Kobe was in the air when Nash tried to slide in. You cant undercut a player like that when he is rising. You have to be set.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tha CTown Knick:</div><div class="quote_post">It was close, but I think he got there too late. And Kobe was in the air when Nash tried to slide in. You cant undercut a player like that when he is rising. You have to be set.</div> Fair enough. I just wasn't able to really tell based on the limited replays shown on tv. For anyone who still thinks Nash is on the bottom of a long list of crappy defenders, this should help begin to dispel the myth. Although he didn't get this particular call, he did take at least one other charge that game and did well on steals as well. He's not great, but he's improving. Probably due to playing with the likes of Bell and KT this season.
It looked like it was a charge, but the ref was in amazement himself when he saw Kobe going up in the air. He didn't even watch if Nash had drawn a charge or not, he was watching Kobe all the way.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tha CTown Knick:</div><div class="quote_post">I mean I know Nash is a hustle guy and wants to make plays, but he had NO CHANCE at making this. And no Im not a Nash hater, Im just wondering what was going through his mind with Kobe ready to soar to the basket and him not even set yet. </div>I don't understand your attempt at criticism. You're basically trying to say that Nash shouldn't have tried to get it the way? How does that even make sense? Whether or not he made the play or not, it's still better to try then just watch Bryant dunk. I mean, that being a charge or not is purely a judgement call, and probably about half of the time that same play is called a charge by a different official. And even if he gets called for the block, maybe Kobe misses the dunk because of the collision and is forced to earn them at the free throw line.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting unbeliever:</div><div class="quote_post">Is it just me, or was that dunk totally a charge? He had his feet set, was outside the arch and was there before Kobe. I guess the refs were blinded by the admittedly badassness of the dunk itself.</div> You could make the case that his shoulders were not sqaure to the play or even Nash didn't get position in time (the player has to establish position BEFORE the player gets up off the floor, he can't slide under him.) If you watch the video Kobe takes off than Nash sets his feet in and gets position. The player must have position BEFORE the basket, if he was there when Kobe was running up, YES that = FOUL. But he slid over and had his feet set after Kobe jumped = BLOCK.
I like what Scoop Jackson said about this. Basically, it's like boxing and Nash is the champion, therefore players in contention needed to knock out Nash in order to "beat the champion." Nash had better numbers than last season, and made guys like Boris Diaw and Rajah Bell seem like all-star players. No one made a bigger impact this year or in other words, enough of an impact to knock out the champion. Also, the fact that there were so many guys in contention, made it even harder for guys like Lebron and Kobe to get the title because if it was only Nash vs Lebron or Kobe the whole time, it would've been a lot easier. And with that said, Nash is still standing in the middle of the ring.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't understand your attempt at criticism. You're basically trying to say that Nash shouldn't have tried to get it the way? How does that even make sense? Whether or not he made the play or not, it's still better to try then just watch Bryant dunk. I mean, that being a charge or not is purely a judgement call, and probably about half of the time that same play is called a charge by a different official. And even if he gets called for the block, maybe Kobe misses the dunk because of the collision and is forced to earn them at the free throw line.</div> Im not criticising anyone. And I know he doesn't wanna just stand there and watch, but I just dont think there was a chance for him to draw the charge. He's lucky he wasn't injured either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tha CTown Knick:</div><div class="quote_post">Im not criticising anyone. And I know he doesn't wanna just stand there and watch, but I just dont think there was a chance for him to draw the charge. He's lucky he wasn't injured either.</div> What do you mean there wasn't a chance? he was charged he just didn't get the call. He was clearly outside the line.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brasco:</div><div class="quote_post">What do you mean there wasn't a chance? he was charged he just didn't get the call. He was clearly outside the line.</div> No I mean when Kobe was going up I didn't think Nash had a chance to even slide in but he suprisingly did so and got pretty set but I think its close if its a charge or not.
Either way, I don't have a big problem with the non-call. I just don't like it being hyped as a big posterization. I mean the dunk was nasty and all, but it wasn't like Nash was a helpless bystander.
I think Nash had other plans, they just didn't work out so well, a little low blow here and there, or he just forgot the program was rated G.
