<div class="quote_poster">Quoting STCBBall3:</div><div class="quote_post">Parker doesn't always make the highlight reel with his plays. He doesn't have a "killer cross" or throw down. I think, in a few years, Tony Parker will be considered, one of the top, if not the best PG, in the league. He has shown nice improvements over the last three years, and with all the playoff experience, will only become better.</div> Well thats why Tony Parker isn't an All-Star. But he is for sure one of the elite PG's.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">also, he only averaged 5.5apg for the regular season which ranks him at 16. At the very least you should rank in the top 10 to be considered an elite pg in the league</div> I really do not care about the stats. Watch the games, and you will see how good of a PG Tony Parker is. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jason Kidd Stephon Marbury Mike Bibby Steve Nash Sam Cassell Jason Williams </div> I disagree. I don't think Jason Williams is a better player than Tony Parker. Jason Williams still doesn't have a great shot selection. Steve Nash, I think, is on the same level as Tony Parker. What about Baron Davis? Baron Davis still a damn good player. I think guys like Parker, Davis, Cassell, Bibby, and Nash are in the 2nd tier of NBA PGs, behind Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
Well doesn't really have the numbers yet, but he is a good player. BTW have ya'll ever seen him dunk in a game? I have in last year's playoffs and he didn't get no replay. That's the first and last time I ever seen him dunk(can't remember who they were playing). Where's the love?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting STCBBall3:</div><div class="quote_post"> Tony Parker already has one championship ring at the age of 23. </div>Isn't he 21? He is quickly making a name for himself. Players make a name for themselves in the playoffs and if Parker and the Spurs continue with their success, he'll be considered an ellite PG soon. He is already getting the respect of some, the broadcasters keep referring to him as a top 5 PG in the League.
I don't consider Parker a top-5 PG until he can stand toe-to-toe against them in a series matchup. He hasn't done that yet. Effective pick-and-rolling against Jason Williams and the infamous LA pick-and-roll defense doesn't prove anything that other good PGs haven't.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Isn't he 21? He is quickly making a name for himself. Players make a name for themselves in the playoffs and if Parker and the Spurs continue with their success, he'll be considered an ellite PG soon. He is already getting the respect of some, the broadcasters keep referring to him as a top 5 PG in the League.</div> What Broadcasters? Sir Charles. He is in love with anything thats the Spurs. It doesnt matter whether its Tim Duncan or Manu. Now it seems like he is in love with Tony Parker. Iam not going to take anything away from Tony Parker's performance this season in the playoffs. It has been impressive,But like Animus said killing Jason Williams. A guy who was traded from the Kings mainly because of his play in the playoffs(bad turnovers & poor defense). I remember Jason Williams use to be on the bench in the 4th quarter of alot of kings playoff games. And Imo Jason Williams looked exactly like that point guard this season in the playoffs. So Iam not exactly sure what that told us about each player. It could mean Tony Parker is top pg. Or it could just mean that Jason Williams is a horrible pg in the playoffs. And now this round he going up against a top point(former top point guard to some) Gary Payton,who plays in a system that he stuggles with. And doesnt allow him to go back at other point guards. And make them work. I think a key to GP's success on Defense over the years was how hard he made other PG's work trying to guard him. He would wear point guards down with his offense. And then uses his hands & body on defense. That takes alot out of point guards. Well he cant do that on the Lakers. So GP vs Tony Parker isnt a matchup that we can over focus on. There team systems help this matchup be so one sided. And lets not forget the Lakers team defense is the worst at stopping the Pick & Roll. Their "bigs" never help to stop penetration. The thing that impressed me the most about Tony Parker was his play early in the NBA finals,last year. He really out played J.Kidd early in that series. But when J.Kidd started being more aggressive on the offnesive end. Tony Parker started to fade. And Speedy Claxton had to relieve him. It was times toward the end of the finals that Parker wasnt playing in the forth. So that goes to the point that " Tony Parker isnt that great,when a PG is going back at him". Key example Stephon Marbury owns him. So until Parker proves that he can take what he dishes out. And still be aggressive on the offensive end. And not back down from the other top PG's around the league. How can you say he top 5? The jury is still out on Tony Parker imo.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">So that goes to the point that " Tony Parker isnt that great,when a PG is going back at him". </div> Yes, Sam Cassell has also considerably outplayed him this season in their matchups.
Maybe u will laugh at this, but Tony Parker maybe right now the better ball player of the world, I agree that Shaq or Duncan will give u more wins, but i played the point guard lots of years, and to see what this guy is doing against some of the toughest interior defenses in the world is an absolutely pleasure for the short guys like me.
Underused, underspoken and underappreciated. A very quiet guy, who's what a basketball player should be. He's a team player, not a player on a team, which makes him one of the best in the league. I would rank him among my top 5 or so, but he, along with Bibby, isn't the most consistent player I've ever seen. His shot is either very on, or very off. The nice thing about Parker, is he's more on than off. I'd rank him right behind Kidd, and Cassell
Personally, I think he took a huge step towards stardom in yesterdays performance. He totally owned the first quarter, and had some important baskets down the stretch. The crossover against George, behind the back passes and great penetration plays made him one of the most exciting player to watch.
He's quite underrated because he doesn't handle a to outplay or stay on level with another elite pointguard in regular season. But when they get to playoff, he's crazy, no one will stop that man in playoffs. He's icecold, and seems to just chill in regular season. He has improved alot since his two last years, a great player, no other way to describe him. I remember in the finals against Nets, he outplayed Kidd in a game!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ANiMuS:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't consider Parker a top-5 PG until he can stand toe-to-toe against them in a series matchup. He hasn't done that yet. Effective pick-and-rolling against Jason Williams and the infamous LA pick-and-roll defense doesn't prove anything that other good PGs haven't.</div>He put your HOF pg to shame. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">What Broadcasters? Sir Charles. He is in love with anything thats the Spurs. It doesnt matter whether its Tim Duncan or Manu. Now it seems like he is in love with Tony Parker. </div> Actually it wasn't him. It was the guys doing the game, I don't recall who they were. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So that goes to the point that " Tony Parker isnt that great,when a PG is going back at him". Key example Stephon Marbury owns him.</div> Since when? His rookie season? Parker is playing like the best PG in the league and he is doing this in the playoffs! Double team him and he will still produce.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Since when? His rookie season? Parker is playing like the best PG in the league and he is doing this in the playoffs! Double team him and he will still produce.</div> What happen last year to Parker in the Finals last year, when Kidd got focused? I do believe he found himself on the bench with Speedy Claxton getting his minutes. Steph owned him last year, & this year in their matchups. This season Steph averaged 21.5ppg 7 ast in their 2 matchups compared to Parkers' 13ppg 4apg in those same matchups. And last year was even worst. You saying he out playing a Hall of Famer. But can that hall of famer go back at him on the other end due to the system his team plays? Does that point guard play on a team that is the worst at team defending the Pick & Roll? Which all adds on to Gary Payton being a shell of himself on the Lakers. The last past three season Pick & Roll point guards have made fame off of killing the Lakers. Mike Bibby(2002), Troy Hudson(2003), & now Tony Parker. Not to take anything away from those point guards, But I think that tells us more about the Lakers team defense at guarding the Pick & Roll then anything else. I just hope the Tony Parker train stays full, If it stumbles off the track as the playoffs goes along, if they get past the Lakers. And When has Tony Parker ever been doubled in his entire NBA career. From what I've seen of Parker most teams back off him.And give him the jumper because they dont think he can hit on a consistent basis. All I ve seen teams do is put a light trap on him to contain his dribble. But then the Spurs tell Tim Duncan to set like 50 picks in a row to help free him up. So please tell me when Parker has ever been doubled in his entire career?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Steph owned him last year, & this year in their matchups. This season Steph averaged 21.5ppg 7 ast in their 2 matchups compared to Parkers' 13ppg 4apg in those same matchups. And last year was even worst.</div> Stop reverting to stats. Tony Parker's abilities go way past the stat book. Sure, Marbury can his points, but who gets the win? Sure, the Spurs are the better team, much better, but Tony Parker still has them playing great basketball. Put Stephon in his shoes, and he would change there whole approach. Right now, they play great team defense, and on offense, they use the pick and roll very well, no matter what team. Plus, Marbury only played against Parker once. The first game on October 28th, Parker was hurt. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And give him the jumper because they dont think he can hit on a consistent basis.</div> And he proves them wrong time and time again.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting STCBBall3:</div><div class="quote_post">Stop reverting to stats. Tony Parker's abilities go way past the stat book. Sure, Marbury can his points, but who gets the win? Sure, the Spurs are the better team, much better, but Tony Parker still has them playing great basketball. Put Stephon in his shoes, and he would change there whole approach. Right now, they play great team defense, and on offense, they use the pick and roll very well, no matter what team. Plus, Marbury only played against Parker once. The first game on October 28th, Parker was hurt. And he proves them wrong time and time again.</div> When were we talking about win & losses. The Spurs are a much better team then the Suns were when they played. Yet in 2002-2003 the Suns won all four regular season matchups vs the Spurs in large part due to the fact that Parker got killed in his matchup with Steph. of course we all know the Spurs knocked the Suns out in the 1st round last year. But Parker still got outplayed in that series as well. Why are you telling me that he playing great basketball right now? where did I say he wasnt. Also I never said the Spurs didnt play great Pick & Roll offense. All I did was point out the fact that the Lakers play horrible Pick & Roll defense. And the Statement you have in Bold I dont really understand. Please better explain yourself. I think I know what you are trying to say, but I dont want to be accused of putting words into peoples mouth,so I will let you explain.
How's this. Stephon Marbury has been a cancer. He isn't good for a serious championship contender. That is my big problem with Stephon. What he does one on one with Parker really isn't all that important. The Spurs play incredible team ball, and Parker doesn't get caught up in one on one matchups, because he is about winning.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting STCBBall3:</div><div class="quote_post">How's this. Stephon Marbury has been a cancer. He isn't good for a serious championship contender. That is my big problem with Stephon. What he does one on one with Parker really isn't all that important. The Spurs play incredible team ball, and Parker doesn't get caught up in one on one matchups, because he is about winning.</div> Trust me I know Steph is a cancer. I love Steph's talent but I did the happy dance when we sent him packing before the start of the 2001-02 season. And Yes winning is the most important thing but when you start ranking Players like everyone else in the thread has done, you must think about how they have matched up with some of the top players at their position.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And Yes winning is the most important thing but when you start ranking Players like everyone else in the thread has done, you must think about how they have matched up with some of the top players at their position.</div> I'm saying that players like Tim Duncan and Tony Parker are shoved to the back of the 'room' because they play aren't flashy, and don't promote themselves. I think we all know Parker is a very good ballplayer, on the verge of becoming great.
