Tony is cocky. Watch him when he knocks down a shot. However, he doesn't have a signature killer crossover, but he can dribble as good as any other PG in the league. And yea, he doesnt need a flashy game, he plays smart and just wants a W.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">What happen last year to Parker in the Finals last year, when Kidd got focused? I do believe he found himself on the bench with Speedy Claxton getting his minutes. </div>What was that? His second year in the league? He was going against a veteran PG in Jason Kidd. Didn't his team still win the finals? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Steph owned him last year, & this year in their matchups. This season Steph averaged 21.5ppg 7 ast in their 2 matchups compared to Parkers' 13ppg 4apg in those same matchups. And last year was even worst.</div>What has he done in the playoffs this year and what has steph done? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> You saying he out playing a Hall of Famer. But can that hall of famer go back at him on the other end due to the system his team plays? Does that point guard play on a team that is the worst at team defending the Pick & Roll? </div>Now you are just making excuses. Payton should be able to find ways to punish Parker. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And When has Tony Parker ever been doubled in his entire NBA career. From what I've seen of Parker most teams back off him.And give him the jumper because they dont think he can hit on a consistent basis.</div>When did I say teams doubled him? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> All I ve seen teams do is put a light trap on him to contain his dribble. But then the Spurs tell Tim Duncan to set like 50 picks in a row to help free him up.</div>Yea, light traps. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> So please tell me when Parker has ever been doubled in his entire career?</div>Again, when the hell did I say he has been doubled? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post"> And Yes winning is the most important thing but when you start ranking Players like everyone else in the thread has done, you must think about how they have matched up with some of the top players at their position.</div>That is not necessarily true. You have to look at how they contribute to their team and who is most valuable to their team.
Parker's matured so much since last year, it's great to see. He's more of a true point guard, and still scores pretty well. He's definitely one of the quickest in the league. By the time he's Duncan's age, he'll be as good as Kidd, if he keeps progressing as he has-- which isn't unlikely. Right now, he isn't a star because, as was said, he's not flashy. He is a little cocky, but it's subsided, and it's more of a happy-I-made-that-shot-or-pass thing. He's a star in France, though, and I guess home's where it counts most.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting euroslam:</div><div class="quote_post">Parker's matured so much since last year, it's great to see. He's more of a true point guard, and still scores pretty well. He's definitely one of the quickest in the league. By the time he's Duncan's age, he'll be as good as Kidd, if he keeps progressing as he has-- which isn't unlikely. Right now, he isn't a star because, as was said, he's not flashy. He is a little cocky, but it's subsided, and it's more of a happy-I-made-that-shot-or-pass thing. He's a star in France, though, and I guess home's where it counts most.</div>Parker isn't flashy? The guy isn't lightening quick and finishes with an array of moves around the basket.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post"> Since when? His rookie season? Parker is playing like the best PG in the league and he is doing this in the playoffs! Double team him and he will still produce.</div> Thats why I asked, when does he ever get double team. How do you know he will produce against double teams, if he never gets doubled? And why does everyone want to focus on his matchup with GP, but then when I bring up kidd everybody talks about how young he is? And Like I said winning is always the most important thing but when people start trying to rank players at a postion, you have to consider how they matchup with the best at their position. If it was only about victories when ranking players then Parker is easily # 1 because he plays along side the best player on the planet,so he always going to have the victory edge over every point guard just about. But you cant just go by victories, you have to take in the fact of how he has played against the best players at his position. And yes you do have to take in the fact of how valuble Parker is to the Spurs. And how much he contributes? But can you honestly say he is more valuble to his team then any of the other point guards are to their team? No, so the value thing would be a wash imo. So you have to go back to matchups.
Tony is a good PG, and he is slightly underatted, but why do people keep talking about him winning a championship at age 22. Common we all know Duncan is on that team, not to take anything away from Parker but you;rem aking it seem like he won the championships himself or something. He's a good PG but not a top 5 one. Jason Kidd Stephon Marbury Baron Davis Sam Cassell Steve Nash Gary Payton Mike Bibby Andre Miller Chauncey Billups Tony Parker/Jason Williams/Steve Francis/Kirk Hinrich Gilbert Arenas, Dwyane Wade, Jamaal Tinsley, Eric Snow, Jeff McInnis, Jason Terry, Damon Stoudamire, TJ Ford. A guy like Kirk Hinrich could surpass him in PG ability in the future also, and Arenas and Wade are also the same age as him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">[/B] Thats why I asked, when does he ever get double team. How do you know he will produce against double teams, if he never gets doubled?</div>It was an opinion, we all have them don't we? I never said "he gets doubled and still produces." Maybe you should read every post twice. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> And why does everyone want to focus on his matchup with GP, but then when I bring up kidd everybody talks about how young he is?</div>Because he is dominating Payton NOW. This is only his third season and he led his team to an NBA championship in his second season. Maybe we will see a kidd/parker match up again, but I highly doubt the Nets will get past the Pistons, let alone the Pacers. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> And Like I said winning is always the most important thing but when people start trying to rank players at a postion, you have to consider how they matchup with the best at their position.</div>You also have to look at what they do for their team and how well they do it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> If it was only about victories when ranking players then Parker is easily # 1 because he plays along side the best player on the planet,so he always going to have the victory edge over every point guard just about. But you cant just go by victories, you have to take in the fact of how he has played against the best players at his position.</div>Again, when did I say you rank a player by victories? Tim Duncan is the best player on the planet? What about Payton who is playing along side 3 HOFers? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> And yes you do have to take in the fact of how valuble Parker is to the Spurs. And how much he contributes? But can you honestly say he is more valuble to his team then any of the other point guards are to their team? No, so the value thing would be a wash imo. So you have to go back to matchups.</div>Actually you CAN. You cannot go on matchups and stats because they are not guarding each other the whole game and there are a lot of different factors that come into play. So you match up thing would be a wash, imo.
If you keep talking about how good he is because of his championship, then you are talking about victories imo. Victories come along with championships. Granted most players in the NBA dont guard each other for an entire game. But imo you still have to take into account their matchup because most of the night they usually are matchup against each other. Actually you can what? Say that he contributes more to his team then the other top pgs do their team. If that is what you are saying, then who? I cant think of any so thats why I said that it is a wash.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">If you keep talking about how good he is because of his championship, then you are talking about victories imo. Victories come along with championships.</div>They are obviously a part of winning championships. But I couldn't use that with Bibby because although he has won many games he has yet to lead his team to the promise land. There IS a difference. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Granted most players in the NBA dont guard each other for an entire game. But imo you still have to take into account their matchup because most of the night they usually are matchup against each other. </div>Depends on the game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Actually you can what?</div>Actually you can judge which player is more valuable to his team. Some are harder to judge than others. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Say that he contributes more to his team then the other top pg do their team. If that is what you are saying, then who?</div>Than who what? I cant think of any so thats why I said that it is a wash.[/QUOTE]
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They are obviously a part of winning championships. But I couldn't use that with Bibby because although he has won many games he has yet to lead his team to the promise land. There IS a difference</div>. Yea, but why really use it with Parker either? is basically the point Iam trying to make. If you put alot of point guards in Parkers place last year, they walk away with a title too imo. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Depends on the game</div>. Yea, it does depend on the game, but Parker was matched up against Marbury in the playoffs last year. And Kidd in the finals & those are the games Iam talking about. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually you can judge which player is more valuable to his team. Some are harder to judge than others.</div> Not in this situation is my point. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Than who what? </div> You say you can judge, tell me who do you think(out of the top Point Guards) Parker contributes more to the success of the Spurs, then that particular Point Guard contributes to his team?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Parker isn't flashy? The guy isn't lightening quick and finishes with an array of moves around the basket.</div> I totally agree, Parker is like a mini version of Michael Jordan in all aspects And Marbury is only superior in his scoring ability, in all other aspects Parker is superior. Point guards are not mean to score! they have to command! im real tired shooting first point guards, they ruining the game <font color="red">Double posting is not allowed. Please see the guidelines regarding site rules. ~Dre</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spud:</div><div class="quote_post">I totally agree, Parker is like a mini version of Michael Jordan in all aspects</div> that,my friend,is a huge exagarration..........
And Marbury is only superior in his scoring ability, in all other aspects Parker is superior. Point guards are not mean to score! they have to command! im real tired shooting first point guards, they ruining the game
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">that,my friend,is a huge exagarration..........</div> maybe in world consideration and publicity impact, also in rings and all, but i dont see a player right now with a better playing style... Sorry i dont really like Kobe's way, maybe TMac, but Parker been shorter means a lot of things. If you refering to Jordan's ability to make the important shots you're right.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spud:</div><div class="quote_post">maybe in world consideration and publicity impact, also in rings and all, but i dont see a player right now with a better playing style... Sorry i dont really like Kobe's way, maybe TMac, but Parker been shorter means a lot of things.</div> out of the players in the NBA,regardless of size,Kobe Bryant is indeed the player that is closest to Michael.
Kobe's way to play is bit orthopedic, maybe he's better shooter than Parker, I just love to see Parker with Kobe's body and been his team first shooting option.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I totally agree, Parker is like a mini version of Michael Jordan in all aspects</div> Horrible comparison. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry i dont really like Kobe's way, maybe TMac, but Parker been shorter means a lot of things.</div> It doesn't matter if you like them, Kobe and TMac are the closest things to MJ>
Besides San Antonio being a small market, from the standpoint of an average fan, the Spurs are without a doubt one of the most boring championship teams in three decades. They don't have all the flash and glamour of the Lakers, they're a real blue collar team that goes there everyday and gets the job done. They don't worry about highlight dunks or being in the Sportscenter top 10 list, all they care about is the win column and that's something which is pretty rare these days in the NBA with only a minority of teams that have players concerened about winning rather than personal stats. Tony Parker and TD go together like bread and butter. A little off topic, but remember a few weeks ago when Iverson was crying about how franchise players, multi-time allstars, etc. shouldn't be coming off the bench and he doesn't know of any that come off the bench? Well it was pretty funny because Tim Duncan actually came off the Spurs bench the next night because it was good for the TEAM. I'd love to see an eastern conference team win a championship.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">. Yea, but why really use it with Parker either? is basically the point Iam trying to make. If you put alot of point guards in Parkers place last year, they walk away with a title too imo.</div>This is only your opinion but I think you are wrong and are once again underestimating Parker. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You say you can judge, tell me who do you think(out of the top Point Guards) Parker contributes more to the success of the Spurs, then that particular Point Guard contributes to his team?</div>Mike Bibby and Gary Payton are two that are ones that jump out at me. You could make a case also for Baron Davis, Steve Nash and Chauncy Billups.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spud:</div><div class="quote_post">I totally agree, Parker is like a mini version of Michael Jordan in all aspects And Marbury is only superior in his scoring ability, in all other aspects Parker is superior. Point guards are not mean to score! they have to command! im real tired shooting first point guards, they ruining the game <font color="red">Double posting is not allowed. Please see the guidelines regarding site rules. ~Dre</font></div> Yea that mini Jordan thing is stretching it by milesssssss.......You do know that Parker is more of a scoring PG, Popovich has even said it himself many times. How can you say Marbury is only superior in scoring ability, he's also a better passer, and he could put out a case as a better defender. Parker is more of a shooting PG than a passing one, don't get it confused.
