WikiLeaks "Leaker" Bradley Manning- Gays in the Military gone awry?

the government should have accountability!

 

Huh? Where does it say he was openly gay in his military life? Actually straight from the quote you put in the OP it says "Then he joined the Army, where, friends said, his social life was defined by the need to conceal his sexuality under “don’t ask, don’t tell” " . So it's more likely that he was suspected of being gay and was teased and shunned because of it, and that because of DADT he couldn't go to his superiors or anyone in the military for help. It doesn't "legitimizes the claim that openly gay soldiers serving in the military may have a psychological effect on morale.", more like legitimizing the claim that telling soldiers to keep part of their life a secret no matter what sort of abuse they might endure because of it can have a negative effect.

 

The article implies that his fellow soldiers were aware of his sexual orientation and shunned him because of it (which of course is wrong). however, it shows that there may be some discomfort and uneasiness in real life situations of homosexuals being "outed" or "tolerated" in the army. An "old boys" type of network if you will.

If it were truly "Don't Ask Don't Tell", the soldiers would not have singled him out. Perhaps he had some flamboyant characteristics that many of the other soldiers picked up on, but it still kind of suggests that a soldier's psyche was modified due to even the insinuation that he was gay.

It makes one wonder if there were a higher number of openly gay persons in the army, if this kind of harassment and subsequent incidents would continue. At a minimum, it will change the dynamics for better or worse.

 

I think you are right... but that doesn't make them right. I am sure they are saying that since it is publically accessible, it is OK for them to do it, but I don't agree with that, and they are no better than WikiLeaks if they are doing it. If they know the information is classified and was obtained illegally... I think it would be hands off. Reminds me of people scooping up money from a bank truck crash thinking it is theirs just because it is spilled and flying around in public.

 

Very much disagree with you here. Everything in there it seems to me we did know... not the details of how we obtained the information, but it didn't seem very different than the what we saw publically. Do you really expect the White House to give briefings on foreign officials partying habits routinely?

 

The policy is basically that you have to completely deny, lie about, and cover up a part of your life in order to keep your job. You can be openly heterosexual in the military, but if you're gay, you need to fake it. If the policy wasn't in place, the guy could report the harassment without the fear of losing his job through outing himself.

This only legitimizes the claim that assholes who are going to hold this ridiculous policy over a homosexual serviceman are indeed assholes who have a negative effect on morale, etc, etc, etc.

This one case wouldn't invalidate the study where the overwhelming majority of servicemen and women polled wouldn't care one way or the other.

I don't think anyone is saying that the harassment justifies the act, but as a probable cause of the anger, its a viable suggestion. Also, drag queen boyfriend? I mean...really? There's a line somewhere between ignorant and being a prick.

 

The guy could report harassment even without a sexual aspect to it. However, he choose to commit treasonous acts. And if what was speculated was true, it does invalidate the study because in real life situations (versus a hypothetical poll), there was great damage to the United States and shows that perhaps the military cannot handle homosexuals amongst them.

 

And how would you provide evidence of harassment without stating what the harassment is?

And it really would take more than one incident to invalidate a survey where over 70% of 400,000 servicepeople said they'd be fine with it...in addition to the 100+ retired Generals and Admirals who have apparently called for its end.

 

You can say you're being harassed without admitting sexual orientation. The policy is don't ask, don't tell so they can't ask.

For example, one can say that a soldier called him a "fairy". You don't have to admit a sexual orientation, in fact, its policy NOT to do so.

 

EVERYone is harrassed in the military. That is just the way it is.

 

He should be quietly disappeared. I vote for dumping his body at 38,000 feet over the Pacific.

 

what crime did he commit?

 

You realize the whole gay thing is just misdirection by the Feds because it's guaranteed to change the topic of discussion from "what exactly was revealed" to "he's gay".

See how easily they control your mind's path.

 

It's treason that our government keeps secrets from us.

Who got killed?

 

So it is your opinion that all information the government has should be public? Sure... lets see your tax records... address, phone number... hell... how about we add a little bar under the avatar pics in this forums with current job, salary, political affiliation, number of traffic citations, criminal history...

Play Stratego with all your pieces turned but not your opponents and see how far you get Cosmo.

 

Leaks controlled by State Department, edited by press in all countries including ours to serve their own ends.

http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=5939

Look for US to launch a massive war against Iran in the coming year.

 

Like any employee of mine, I have a right to know everything they do in the capacity of my employee. There should be no secret plots in action to spy on world leaders and secretly gather their DNA and iris scans in violation of treaties.. There are. Now we know our State Depaartment is being run by criminals. I think that's much better than not knowing, especially next time we vote.

As for Stratego, that's a child's game of war and I expect far more adult behavior from my government.