The team after the trade would suck but it would be a lot worse then before the trade. There is no way KP even listens to that trade.
Well you arent gonna be a "great" team...you are gonna be a good team. Im serious when I say I like this trade
I am pretty sure that both teams will have the same reaction. Roy is Portland and he is going to be one of the league's better small-guard/combo-guard and Rose is the Bulls and he is going to be one of the league's better point-guards - he has a chance to be a faster, stronger Deron. While Rose might be a better player than Roy when all is said and done - no one knows what kind of a leader he will be and how clutch he will be - so I suspect that the Blazers are not going to be thinking about moving their undisputed leader for him, as tempting as it might be... Anyway - with Oden and the kind of team that is built here - there is no real need for a super-star PG to clean championships. As important as point-guards are - the last time a super-star PG powered his team to the championship was during Isiah's days. The only thing close to it in modern times was Billups when Detroit won again - and while Billups is one of the better PGs in the league - I do not think he is going to be a superstar PG in the form the Isiah, Nash, CP3, Deron a likely Rose will be... Now - having a great PG does not hurt, if you have a great interior player - as we have seen with SAS... Having a great interior player and a very good or great SG is the more likely combination to bring you rings - and the Blazers already have that in Roy/Oden.
I think we are a lot closer then you think! You are underestimating Roy's ability and you will see this year. I do think Rose is going to be a very good PG in the NBA but I like Paul and Williams better. I know your a Laker fan and just because the Lakers blew us out the first game and Oden hasn't played great so far. There is nobody in the NBA IMO that will be better then the Blazers in a couple years and you can take that to the bank.
No, it's a rip for Derrick Rose. We could get much better value for Rose than Brandon Roy and average players. Blazers can't get anything better than Derrick Rose. Derrick is already scoring close to the same amount as B-Roy as a rookie, on a higher scoring efficiency, while being a better passer. Derrick Rose is 20 years old and is already playing fringe allstar level. He is loved by the Bulls fans in Chicago...~88% of fans polled before the draft wanted Rose over Beasley. He is a huge money maker for the franchise, and will garauntee full crowds for his tenure here. Rose has to have one of the highest trade values in the league. Lebron James, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and maybe Kobe Bryant are probably the only players with a higher trade value at this point. Rookie point guards who are already playing like allstars don't get traded for a fringe allstar. The Rose for Aldridge trade was even more laughable. It'd probably take a Roy+Aldridge package or a Fernandez + Oden package to get Rose from Chicago. I'm not saying that those trades are necessarily in Portland's best interest, but that is realistically what it will take, at the very minimum, for Bulls management to ship out Derrick Rose.
I like already posted this is a terrible trade for the Blazers. Even if you consider Rose being better then Roy now and in the future which isn't going to happen IMO the rest of the trade is terrible. Joel, Outlaw and Blake are all decent players and important for the Blazers. You don't trade Joel until Oden has played at least one full year without being injured. Even then Joel makes a great backup. Outlaw and Blake are both good players off the bench with cheap good contracts (team option next year). Hughes has a bad contract and why would we trade 3 important players for our team for a bad contract and the only thing we can get out of the trade is trading our franchise player for a possible really good PG.
Am I dating myself if I say this trade vaguely reminds me of the Kiki Vandeweghe trade in which we gave half our team to Denver and left me wanting to eat my liver every time we played the Nugs? It was danged painful watching Lever for a lot of years, plus I really liked Calvin Natt. Yeah, I'm dating myself. Dang it. Where did the years go?
I knew that Bull's fans would want more, but no way would you get the 2/4 you're looking for. Like Minstrel said, this isn't happening from either side. The ONLY reason I would consider Roy is because we have Rudy.
Hmm... I'm not sure how I feel. Is Rudy as good as Roy? Not yet. Will he be? There's a chance. I see a real chance at some point that one or the other will have to go. They're both very talented players in their own right. I think Rudy is a more explosive scorer. More flashy. Roy has something about him though... He does amazing things when the game is on the line. That's rare. Roy is the type of player that wins championships. Would I like to get Rose? Yes. Would I want to mortgage half our team to do it? I don't know. I could trade Blake without losing any sleep, and Outlaw seems expendable to me, but Joel is one guy I would like to keep around. I'm just not sure how I feel about this trade.
Maybe. But the better play at PG just might be a bigger impact than the dropoff going from Roy to Rudy. Rudy is the real deal, IMO.
Which is exactly why a trade for Derrick Rose won't happen. You don't get superstars like Rose at peak value. Look at how long it took for Kevin Garnett to get traded, and they still got a 20-10 player for him. I could see the Blazers offering Fernandez/Aldridge as a 2/4 package...but again, that is the one combination of 2/4 that I can't see the Bulls taking, since the Blazers aren't giving up one of their top tier trade value guys (Oden/Roy), and just two second tier guys (Fernandez/Aldridge).
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like Rudy gets frustrated when he runs the court, or through several picks to get open, then Brandon doesn't see him and goes to the rim himself. That worries me that the chemistry could go sideways down the road. It doesn't seem to me like we'd be mortgaging half the team though. We'd still have Greg, LA and Rudy to go along with a great young point. PG's usually take time to develop. Rose is an excellent point right out of the gate. I have not doubt that he's going to be special. I have a tough time putting Joel in the package, too. If they would take Frye, I'd be more than happy to swap him for Joel. (I didn't run that through trade checker, it might not work, or would require swapping another player(s).
