Will Barton > Mo Williams

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Yeah and honestly, he is a really good finisher around the rim. We need someone able to slash into the paint and score.
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Some of his layups seemed amazingly lucky. Like.... no no no no no.... YES! But I love that he attacks the rim because we really don't have anyone else that does that, outside of Dame.
     
  3. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    [video=youtube;OCcIsQ9AK08]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCcIsQ9AK08[/video]
     
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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    This is completely, 100% true. Danger Will/Robinson is a great combo for keeping the team from getting down on themselves.
     
  5. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I don't really see this as an either/or situation. They both have their pluses and minuses. Mo basically won Game 4 against Houston for us when he picked Lin's pocket, saved the ball and then hit the HUGE 3. Will basically won Game 4 against San Antonio for us with his energy and effort.

    Mo gets a lot more assists than Will. Mo has the highest AST% on the team, both regular season and playoffs. He has the ability to create easy scoring opportunities or his teammates. Will does not (but Will can create easy scoring opportunities for himself). This made Mo more valuable against Houston, which was a very high scoring series. We needed as many easy baskets as we could get to outscore Houston in that series.

    But, Will plays MUCH better on-the-ball defense than Mo. Multiple times he poked the ball away from the Spurs guards in Game 4. It usually ended back in the Spurs hands, or out of bounds off Will, but even though he didn't get the steal, it disrupted the Spurs' offensive flow. And, that's what we need against the Spurs. Force their guards to work and run some time off the shot clock and don't just let them penetrate into the paint and pick apart our defense. Which is why Batum on Parker is such a good idea, and why Barton defending their guards on the second unit works well, too.

    I like having both options. It also helps that Will's shot is falling right now (which is why his PER is so high). Both guys are high risk/high reward players that make mistakes and force up some bad shots. For now, due to his length and defense, I hope Stotts continues to give Will burn. He definitely made a difference in Game 4. Let's see what he can bring in Game 5.

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  6. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    See, I get that Mo has a high assist%, but how much does he slow down the offense in the process? He dribbles so much, which kills ball movement, which is much of what our offense is predicated on. We are at our best when we move the ball. Mo does not move the ball.

    Also, while both Mo and Will take bad shots, Mo tends to take long jumpers and Will tends to attack the rim wildly. I personally would rather have the guy who attacks the rim because that guy will draw more fouls than the guy who shoots a lot of jumpers.
     
  7. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Well said and repped...

    On the bold area is my concern. Can will give you this energy on the road? It seems that T. Rob doesn't play as well on the road. I hope both those players bring energy on the road.
     
  8. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    That is what I was thinking without even thinking it. Nicely put. Repped.
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Mo knows...

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    Will Barton is not better than Mo Williams. He might get there, but not now.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    But does he have a "SHOE DEAL?!?!?"
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Honestly this is the best thing to happen to Stotts. Just like how Leonard coming in because T. Rob wasn't up to the level we wanted him. It lit a fire in T. Rob to get his minutes back. I think this will only light a fire under Mo to perform at the level he is capable of. And if both Barton and Mo are at a higher level, all the sudden we have a decent bench!
     
  13. Natebishop3

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    In the playoffs, which includes Houston, Mo is shooting 37% from the field, 24% from three, and is averaging almost as many turnovers (1.8) as he is assists (1.9). He has a PER of 4.7. His eFG% is an abysmal 41.5%. His offensive rating is 89 and his defensive rating is 119. Do you realize how fucking bad that is? He is doing all this in 23 minutes per game. He might be the worst player on any team in the playoffs.

    The bar is set pretty fucking low for Barton.
     
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    Will Barton has a higher postseason PER than KD in this years playoffs.

    I guess I could insert this meme:

    Will Barton,
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Even if part of Mo's problem is his hammy or groin or whatever the point is to play the guy who helps us the most. Recently that's been Will.
     

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