Fuck her. Don't care about the guys protesting. Totally not a conservative. Wait, social liberal fiscal conservative is what I think I am. People can fuck grapefruits for all I care. The two party system is broken
It's not about any of that. The meme is about the hypocrisy of the right wing. They say "don't protest at work" but ol' girl did and they loved her for it.
That's why when HCP asked what we thought of old dude's commentary the part I agreed with most was the right's hypocrisy. Obvious hypocrisy is obvious.
Seems like a pretty clear false equivalency. I'd be willing to explain, if you're interested in hearing it.
You are the most respectful debater in the forum and always have something to add from a conservative christian viewpoint. I would always listen to you and be interested in what you have to say.
To me, there are several clear differences, the most obvious of which is that Kim Davis' "protest" was simply a refusal to engage in the very act with which she took issue. It was a (recently changed) element of her job which she was protesting. NFL players are using time on the job to protest something completely outside of their job requirements. This would be why some might say, "stop protesting and do your job." Their job and their protest are unrelated. If (by contrast) they were actually protesting the fact that the anthem is played before games, or that they are expected to stand out on the field during it, then their protest would absolutely be analogous to Davis'.
When the NFL includes "flag decorum" in their contracts, it becomes part of their job. If standing for the flag was optional, that would be a different story, but it's not. Maris spoke about this in one of his posts. So if it's part of their contract, and they have to do it or they're in breach of contract and can be fined/suspended, then I think it's exactly like what that other woman did. HOWEVER, I would say that what she did was worse because that was a huge part of what her job description was, but NFL players are paid to play football. So forcing players to do something that's against their personal beliefs and has nothing to do with their job description is, in my opinion, worse. Edit - also I'll add that Kim Davis was elected. She works for the people. That's not a private organization.
You're the one who compared it to treason, which is what our forefathers committed (according to Britain) when they spoke against British rule. If done on their own time away from the job, I see it as free speech, with no actual defined message other than negativity and entitled whininess, directed at who knows? An ineffectually targeted, non-defined message put forth in a rude and insulting manner. Seems like something an idiot would do.
So she was refusing to do her job, whereas they were not refusing to do their job? Her job is to sign marriage certificates (no part of which had changed) whereas their job is to play football (which they have continued to do).
Take it from me, when you're his age, taking a knee takes courage. (a) it's agony, and (b) you may not get up again. (Love his old man slippers.)
I'm cool with us not even singing the national anthem at sporting events. Save us 3 minutes of our lives that we can't get back and it gets us to the game faster. I don't like that my tax dollars go to the military's marketing campaign (which includes paying the NFL/NBA etc to allow the military to attend these events.)
That little Obama skit you have running seems like he is speaking about my healthcare retirement benefits.
I don't give a shit what the players decide to do as far as kneeling or whatever. As long as the game starts on time I'll be OK.
Disagree. Kim Davis' job did not change. Her job was to issue marriage licenses, among other duties, and she was paid $80K (very high for that area) to do so. She decided some people were unworthy and refused to do her job. Part of the players' jobs are to participate in team activities. Including the anthem ceremony, although it's become rite. A player can't say "I don't feel like it" or even "I'm Canadian" and stay in locker room. True, not the main part of their job but still within the scope of job duties. The point of that graphic is the idea that for a gay-hating white Christian taking a stand was a good thing, but for black Christian athletes it is not.
The words of the graphic were that one was considered acceptable at the workplace, and the other wasn't. I've explained why one was relevant to the workplace, and the other wasn't. I'm not debating the merits of either "protest"--simply the appropriateness of the location of each.
