People said the same thing about Kaman. Yeah, if you play these older guys starter minutes and expect them to carry a team, they are going to break down. Bring them off the bench for 20 MPG and they are much more likely to remain healthy and productive. BNM
I just don't know, bottomline we would have to see how he preforms once he comes back. Wrist injuries for shooters aren't something you wanna mess with.
But see that's not his only trait. I have never seen a player like him, able to get to the line off of jump shots. He has an uncanny ability to draw fouls.
Sit and think about whether you actually want a player, or you just want to throw their name around, lol. Player Pos G Min MPG T/Min %Pass %Shoot %Fouled %TO Nick Young G 52 1641 31.6 0.81 27.4% 55.4% 12.0% 5.1% DeMar DeRozan G 55 1885 34.3 0.84 36.1% 44.2% 13.9% 5.8% Jason Richardson G 55 1820 33.1 0.78 36.2% 51.8% 7.8% 4.2% Anthony Morrow G 39 1244 31.9 0.62 36.3% 51.8% 7.1% 4.8% Kevin Martin G 54 1688 31.3 1.22 36.4% 39.2% 18.9% 5.6%
Besides, you never know with injuries. Grant Hill missed almost 4 complete seasons in his late 20s and early 30s but then came back and proved extremely durable in his late 30s - including three consecutive seasons of 82, 81 and 80 games, most as a starter for PHO. So, you just never know. I think Martin suffered a lot of contact type injuries earlier in his career because of his slight build and relentless attacking of the basket. Earlier in his career, he got to the line more than James Harden, and he did it without the non-stop flopping. That's bound to take its toll on a skinny guy like Martin. But, back then he was the number 1 scoring option on his team, playing big minutes and carrying a heavy load. As a 6th/7th man here, he wouldn't be expected to carry such a heavy burden. BNM
Very interesting. What really stands out is how much less Martin shoots, but how much more he gets fouled. And, he's an excellent FT shooter, so all those fouls result in a lot of "free" points. BNM
That's what I keep preaching! Getting to the line is another way to deflate a team. Imagine them playing solid defense, only to foul Martin on a broken play?
So we might as well make this trade http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mjuw4cf With Kaman and Martin I think it would be 2v5 anyway.
I hate Martin, but he's the best option I've been able to think of so far. Prior to the season starting, and early in the season, I wanted to roll with CJ (to either increase his trade value, or develop him for our team). But I'm now fully on-board with off-loading CJ and replacing him with [shudder] Kevin Martin.
I can only assume you're being facetious, but I'm not sure why. We could easily just give them Thomas Robinson and any one of Dorell Wright, C.J., Claver, Barton or Crabbe. Or, Wright plus one of the others, if you prefer to keep TRob. Point being, we don't need to trade away our entire bench to get Martin. It would only take two of our end of bench, out of the rotation guys to get the 6th man we need to address bench scoring. I also don't get the Kaman - Martin 2V5 comment either. Yeah, Kaman tends to be a black hole off the bench, but that's the role he's been given since we don't have any other reliable bench scorers. Martin definitely ISN'T a black hole. You're the one who posted the stats that show he's much less likely to shoot the ball than the other scoring wings you included. BNM
Yes I was being facetious. He's also less likely to pass, that was the point of the stats. Kevin Martin is where the ball goes to die... You have Martin and Kaman in there and you are looking at a lot of shots late in the clock. That's just not Blazer offense. What our second unit needs is some more diversity, not to become one dimensional. Martin is a good offensive player, but not a fit. There's a reason he's bounced around on multiple playoff teams until landing in Minnesota where he puts up great stats...
??? For the stats you showed, Martin was the MOST likely to pass. Granted not by much (except for Nick Young), and those guys aren't known for their passing, but Martin isn't a total black hole. His AST% is higher than Wesley's and we have Blake to move the ball, run the offense and set up the scorers in the second unit. I actually think Martin would be a great fit with our second unit, can fill in with the starters at the 2 to spell Wes, or can run the three with Dame and Blake (two playmakers) to spell Batum when we go small. I think Martin's ability to play two positions (he split time equally at the 2 and 3 coming off the bench for an OKC team that won 60 games two seasons ago). and his scoring ability adds plenty of versatility to our bench. BNM
And, if by "Kevin Martin is where the ball goes to die" means Kevin Martin ends up at the FT line, I'm all for that - and that's what those stats you posted seem to indicate. ANYTHING that gets easy points for our second unit is great by me, and if having an 87% career FT shooter "bogging down" our offense by making repeated trips to the line is considered a problem, I'll take it. In addition to easy points for the second unit, it also gets us in the penalty sooner for when the starters come back in. BNM
