Woj: Melo should stay in NY, Bulls are more interested in avoid tax than winning

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  1. rosenthall

    rosenthall Well-Known Member

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    If I were the Bulls I'd go after Melo and tell Mirotic to keep pimpin' in Spain another year.

    bullsger, your timing is impeccable because I was thinking about this exact scenario last night. Melo is a flawed player but he makes a lot of sense for the Bulls. He's pouty but we've got a strong culture and demanding coach. He's not quite a franchise guy but we have another alpha dog to spare with him. He's a bit of a chucker but we've needed a second shot creator since Ben Gordon left. He also won't have a lot of pressure on him since Derrick is still top dog around here. But we're desperate enough for that second scorer that he can still be a savior.

    Basketball wise is there a better fit for Melo than Chicago?

    And that brings us to Mirotic. He clearly has a good thing going in Spain. Young guy, best basketball player on the best team on the continent. MVP. Real Madrid looks like they're willing to pony up some cash to keep him too. And I'm sure he's pounding some nice mediterranean tail.

    It doesn't sound like he's willing to come here for a discount, and I personally don't think he's good enough to put us over the top. Right now I project him to be a Ryan Anderson/Rashard Lewis hybrid. That's nice, but probably not any better than having Boozer or Deng around. And definitely not better than Carmelo. Ideally I think you want Mirotic to be your Kukoc and not your Pippen.

    So I'd go for Carmelo.
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    We only get Mirotic if:
    1) he is willing to play here
    2) he is willing to take the MLE or less AND we have the MLE to use
    3) he wants more than MLE and we can get under the cap (way under LT) by what he wants

    If he'd take MLE, why ask him to wait?
     
  3. rosenthall

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    My understanding is that if we're under the cap then we no longer have the MLE. Just the Cap Space and minimum exceptions.

    If that's the case then our options look like this:

    1). Use Cap Space to sign Melo AND Mirotic to market contracts. Highly unlikely unless we nuke the entire team for rubble.

    2). Use Cap Space on Melo and get Mirotic to come over on a teensy-weensy below market deal. Highly unlikely since Mr. Mirotic is the Crown Prince of European Basketball and pounding lots of mediterranean tail.

    3). Sign Mirotic to MLE type money or more and forego the Melo signing since we don't have enough money.

    4). Sign Melo to a market deal and wait one more year for Mirotic since we can't give him enough money.

    I'm assuming only 3 or 4 are realistic, and I personally think #4 is a long shot too....but you know, it's fun to speculate.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I think we're over the cap if we sign Melo. If we S&T for him, we'd have the MLE. If we wait a year, we're over the cap so only MLE is possible, but only if we're not a tax paying team.

    Something like:

    Rose $18.8M
    Melo $22M
    Noah $12.2M
    Taj $8M

    $60M right there. Over the cap.

    Cap was like $58M this year, and Luxury Tax was $70M this year.
     
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    Good point Denny. I forgot about about the S & T possibility, and I believe you're right.

    That'd be the best case.

    Probably puts us right at the tax line, but a Rose/Melo/Noah + whatever's left from the S & T + rookies and vet mins is probably in the mix for a chip. Especially when you mix in the Thibideau factor.

    At the end of the day, I think the Bulls would pay for that, albeit with finite patience if things don't crack up the way we hope.
     
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    I think the Bulls FO would like to acquire Anthony. They should. The big question is how badly they want Anthony. My guess is not badly enough to actually get him.

    If the Bulls could somehow acquire Anthony for some combination of Boozer, Butler, Dunleavy, Snell and future picks, I think they'd do it. I doubt they'll be as keen on Anthony if the price includes Gibson and/or Mirotic...I think the timing of their meeting with Mirotic's camp and Deng's $10mil/year take-it-or-leave-it offer and resulting trade speak to the big love Bulls' management has for Mirotic.
     
  7. bullsger

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    Sadly, this is nothing new about the FO.

    IMO Anthony for Boozer, Butler, Dunleavy, Snell and picks would be good deal for Knicks.
     
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    bullsger, what is the absolute best offer you would make to get Anthony? What would constitute an offer the Bulls could make for Anthony, but shouldn't make because Anthony's not worth that much?
     

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