Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from DET

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

Just as an aside...

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The resemblance is uncanny. If Nic works on his face up game and gets another year of NBA games under his belt, he'll be at Tay's level.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

My observation tells me he hasn't lost a step. So do his stats.

Regarding his defensive rating - Detroit gave up 94.72 ppg last year, compared to 90.1 ppg in 07-08. Their defensive rating was 16th last year, compared to 4th the year before. They were a worse team. Not a shock that the team numbers would impact Princes' numbers...

His PER the last 5 years has been 16.22, 14.87, 16.01, 15.57, & 15.09. Pretty consistent if you look around the league. You must have really thought he was done 4 years ago...?

Here's just a few players whos PER dropped more than Prince last year: Carmello Anthony, David West, Chris Bosh, Caron Butler, Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay, Kevin Martin, etc. I think all of those guys have a lot of years left, probably their best years in fact. Gerald Wallace fell over the course of two years from 21.32 to 17.66 (before finally picking it up a bit last year), a much more substantial drop than Princes', yet you'd love him on our team. Another guy you seem to like, Hinrich; check out his drop off since three years ago...

PER is going to fluxuate. For you to point to a combined .92 drop over TWO years is really nitpicking.

In NO WAY do his stats, his PER, or his defensive rating "confirm your observation" about him losing quickness. So at the end of the day all you really have are your own observations.

But I'd say the numbers confirm my observation instead. I'd love to have him, but I highly doubt it will happen.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

There was so much bad Ju Ju in Detroit this season, I touched on it when another person said that Hamilton had slid. The facts are that Billups trade hurt them badly. He was the key to making that team hum. I think between that, having Curry as the coach (flat out horrible) and the AI problem hanging over the team, that had a lot more to do with many of the players performance on Detroit than any of them sliding.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

Well, since I never said he was "done" now, no, I don't think he was done then either.

Yes, I like both players (as I like Prince). When have I said that their numbers haven't slipped a bit? You're trying to find a contradiction where none exists. I think Prince has slipped a bit, I never said it was a massive drop. He's gone from a bit above average to essentially dead average. I also said I'd like this deal, if Portland wasn't giving talent in return.

The reason I wouldn't want to give up talent is because Batum isn't that far from Prince and should improve, while nothing suggests Prince will.

I also think Hinrich's and Wallace's numbers have slipped a bit. Even with that slip, Wallace remains a better player. Hinrich, with the slip, is a bit worse than Prince but plays a position of much greater need. There's nothing inconsistent there.

They do support my observations. They don't prove them, but then I never meant that it was proof. Just evidence. The caveat that DRtg may be influenced by team defense is reasonable, but it doesn't make DRtg worthless.

And my referencing of PER wasn't meant to show he had lost quickness. My comment about lost quickness was about defense. The PER drop was an independent thing. As I said, he's dropped from a slightly above average player to an average player. Whether that's an important difference to you is, of course, your call.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

No real surprise here Memphis has a vendetta against the Blazers for that ridiculous memo, and us backing out several times on trades.(don't even bother asking for a link)

Memphis gets money and friends in the league, while KP gets to continue to like his guys

There was never any way that Utah wasn't going to match, and they still have until the trade deadline to get closer to the tax threshhold.

I never understood why people kept saying this was a win/win situation for Portland.


Going after Prince was a pipe dream at best because KP seems to think teams should give him players for nothing in return. I don't like the way our front office does business at all. Instead of trying to make trades that help both teams, he tries to prey on the weak.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

Check out his playoff stats from this year. Yikes.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

Memphis is a joke of a franchise. While they have been "getting money and friends," they have done nothing to improve their team on the floor. Pay them some money, and they'll bend over.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

It's been explained to you before. You may agree to disagree, but you can't flat out dismiss that position.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

Yep, the bitch of Cell Block H is liked too. Of course, all he has to do to have friends is suck dick and get fucked in the ass.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

Of course Wallace is going to try to fuck us. He will try any time he can. We are enemies!!! That shit wont go away for years.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

Which part of Detroits team chemistry going to hell do you not understand? It doesn't matter if it was the playoffs or regular season, that team had chemistry issues, coaching issues, AI issues, you name it. They barely make the playoffs and get rolled by the #1 team. That is exactly what you expect to happen. Everybody on the team got rolled. It doesn't make them bad players. It makes them a bad team.

The facts are that Tayshaun Prince was just part of the olympic team which is the elite of the elite. His game didn't slide. Nobody here mentions that Curry was trying to make him run the point most of the time. Nobody here mentions that he was being used as the focal point of the offense when that isn't his game. He is a good scorer, but not a guy to carry a team. He was asked to do too much because Billups was traded. It was a bad situation for him, and for everybody else on that team.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

Just playing devil's advocate here.

Boozer was part of the olympic team which is the elite of the elite as well, but Utah is trying everything they can to trade him.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

At the same time, Boozer went public mid way through the season and burned every bridge he had there to the point where the fans don't want him around anymore for the most part. That is much different than performing badly. Boozer has been injured for a large part of his career which has added to this frustration. Prince has not. Maybe while were at it, we'll check and see how many of the other olympians are being traded. Not many. Why didn't you compare him to them? Selective presentation for the argument?

Teams make moves because to benefit the team. It makes no sense compare why one team is making a move to another team's motives. They have two totally different teams on two different paths. One is a playoff team. One is not and is trying to rebuild without hitting the lotto. One has salary cap problems. The othe does not. One has few bargaining chips to try and improve the team. The other has a dearth of PF and is over the cap. The Pistons are far under the cap. One team just signed Charlie Villenueva. Two completely different situations.

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

It's obvious that Detroit is holding out for more than just Boozer, and that 'more' should come from us. It's obvious that since Prince is mostly a SF, we could lose one of our many Small-Forwards since Prince +1 is enough for the position.
The first question is, who are we sending out? Outlaw or Batum? Outlaw has long been regarded as the odd-man-out in case we're trading for a small forward, but doesn't Prince's resemblence to Batum makes you rethink that? Would you rather have Prince and Outlaw or Prince and the next Prince? I guess I don't have a definite answer.
The next question - who else does Detroit trade in order to make enough room for both Boozer and (say) Outlaw? If they lose even Kwame, not to mention Maxiell, they would ask for something up-front, which we don't really have. maybe send Claver to Utah and Make them send that Koufus (sp?) dude to Detroit?

Bottom line: Would you trade Millsap, Outlaw and Claver for Prince and Kwame Brown?

 

Re: Woj: Miami/Utah/Memph 3-Way Trade for Boozer, Blazers trying to get Prince from D

I would not. IMO, I think that Millsap is better than Prince. So I would not want to give up Paul for Tay. Then to lose Travis for basically an expiring contract (because we wouldn't use Brown, would we?) is too much for me!

IMHO