Worst play in our arsenal

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  1. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Watch those plays again. This time, look away from the ball.
     
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    I'm not gonna take the time to watch this whole thing, but the first 5 show exactly what I describe - the two who aren't involved are playing at walking speed. In those examples it's largely Dame and the Center - Dame slowly jogs along the baseline, and the C doesn't do much of anything.
     
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    Dame is a decoy on those plays that you're complaining about. In all of which we got great looks at the basket...

    This is some uninformed nitpicking IMO.
     
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    Uninformed. Okay. Said the guy who said we do run secondary action.
    Dame trotting the baseline isn't much of a decoy. If he passed, and cut baseline hard while the flare unfolds THEN he might be a viable decoy...or even a viable scoring option!
    Good looks or not, would it not be better to have secondary action?
     
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    We do run secondary action. What would happen if the flare wasn't open? The ball would swing and Dame would have an open 3 off the screen from the block or a 1 on 1. What you're attempting to point out is something that didn't even need to develop since the original flare screen is wide open.

    Cats are looking to take shots at Stotts but don't even sound like they know what they're talking about.
     
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    As someone who gives Stotts a lot of flack, I agree. It's comical.
     
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    Dame doesn't cut hard so that he'll be in position to have a running start into the pin down, and it also lulls the defender to sleep. You're suggesting Dame cut hard (where there's no passing angle and where it won't accomplish anything, then stop under the rim and stand still for a second, then come off the pin down?

    But you'd get mad at him for standing still. Plays have timing thatsnharf to master and even the little things are for a reason.
     
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    I suppose we have different ideas of secondary action - I'm talking about something that runs concurrently, rather than afterwards. It's a timing thing that would create two simultaneous passing options, rather than one and then another if the first doesn't pan out.
     
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    He shouldn't have to stop at all - he needs to pick up the pace in order to come off a screen at the same time CJ is hitting his spot.
     
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    Haha... you don't want him coming off at the same exact time as CJ. That's two opposite spots of the floor, and it's smart to take a dribble towards Dame to optimize the angle of the pass. (Which is available if the options are progressive instead of simultaneous)

    By the time the passer makes the read of CJ not being open enough to receive the pass, then Dame would already be too far out of the pin down and would be guarded. You want a progression, not options on two completely different sides of the court having a split second window of openness at the same exact time.

    Plus, the flare draws every defenders attention to that side of the floor, and when combined when Dame jogging baseline as if he's a non-threat, that helps get Dame open on the opposite side of the floor than the flare.
     
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    This is completely wrong.
     
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