Would someone explain to me why Judgement Day is supposed to be this Sunday?

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  1. BrianFromWA

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    no one's stopping you. The Bible is the guidebook for Christians. It's not my place as a Christian to tell you to change what you're doing. The Bible tells me to tell you about what Christ did and said, and what that means as the Bible relates it. If you choose to believe, great. If not, no skin off my nose. But you cannot reconcile "living the way (you) want to live" with "the only way to heaven is by confessing Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and believing that God raised him from the dead". Either live like Jesus is the boss of your life, or that you are. My salvation isn't dependent on if I can car-salesman you into believing my hocus-pocus. My salvation is dependent on living like Jesus is the boss of my life, and believing that God did what He says He did. :dunno:
     
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    So what do you believe will happen to me when I die? Or when this Rapture shit happens?
     
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    I don't get much into the "Left Behind" stuff...I don't know how the 1000 year reign will go or what for the armies of Gog and Magog may take or whether "My Car Will Be Unmanned in Case of Rapture". I trust the Holy Spirit when He details that Jesus wins the battle in Revelation 20, and the glory of Revelation 21.

    But to answer your question, I believe that everyone who confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that God raised Him from the dead for the forgiveness of sins will live eternally with Him. I believe that those who do not are judged for their sins, having not accepted the gift of Christ's atonement, will be eternally separated from God. Some believe (and I'm not sure...I don't like to think much about it, to be honest) that they will be cast with Satan into a literal Lake of Fire (Rev. 20, 14-15) to be tormented forever. I believe the torment comes from living in a place eternally without any semblance of God's grace.
     
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    I know you can't answer these questions because you're just a mortal (lol) but whatever... Don't you think the whole "cast into a fiery pit" stuff should be for Christians that sin? I don't understand why the non-believers are dragged into this. Surely if they don't believe in God, Jesus, Heaven, Hell then they are immune to SATAN!
     
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    i asked a pastor once when i was younger what happens to 1 year old chinese babies when they die, or jungle tribesman...he said that the babies go straight in to heaven and the tribesman will get a chance to accept jesus into their hearts after they die. and then he raped me.

    ok, heres the thing....if the tribesman was raised his whole life to believe in dookoo the dung god, why would he just blindly accept jesus after his death? maybe it is dookoo trying to test his faith with a false prophet? hmmmmmmmmm, fucked

    i say, just do the ol' golden rule, and believe in something, something kind, and if there is something after all this, it would take a cruel god to exclude you.
     
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    What if you believe in Dookoo, but you've never heard of Satan? When a non-Christian from Borneo dies, does he live with Dookoo or Satan? He'd live in a different culture. Satan might make you eat dung beatles, while in Borneo they might love eating them.
     
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    What if in Borneo, Dookoo's enemy god is Vookoo, like in voodoo. What happens if I am born in Borneo and I rebel all my life against Dookoo. Do Dookoo and Vookoo agree on where to send me? Do I wind up in Vookoo's hell or Satan's hell? Is Satan just for honkies or is he the bad god outside of Christianity, too?

    Have any of these rules been worked out in Judaism? Maybe they can give Christianity some guidance.
     
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    I'm no Christian but if the so called Christians would spend more time feeding the hungry, welcoming the strangers, sheltering the homeless, visiting the sick and prisoners, et al instead of cutting food stamps, union busting, demonizing immigrants, ending medicare, outlawing familly planning and hating gays, I could agree with that.
     
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    It's partially because of what you're seeing. You've not responded to a single post of mine where I talk about all of those other things (except "welcoming strangers"...I don't exactly know what that means). When I've watched Anderson Cooper and Rachel Maddow talking about Christians it's almost invariably some whack-o who claims to be a Christian yet thinks he sees blood dripping from his statue or Jesus' face on his waffles. Our ministry was featured on King 5 news in Seattle b/c one of the Saturday nights that we fed about 300 homeless people was the last night of that shelter--their funding had not come through and the mission had to close. But that wasn't commented upon, either.

    I personally don't know what wanting to stop people from being allowed to break the law has to do with the Revelation Lake of Fire, but sure.

    I'm also confused about which passage in the Bible (or Constitution) states that people are entitled have subsidized medical coverage from the best doctors in the world and that my paycheck is allowed to be taxed for abortion purposes. I guess if one is able to change worldviews based upon how it appeals to what one wants to do at that particular moment, it makes sense. I can see how it's hard to understand someone with firm principles based on a worldview revolving around a sovereign God.
     
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    Which passage in the Bible says that we should subsidize military, police, and spies? As the beneficiaries, why don't rich conservatives just pay for them directly, like they did until governments invented taxation (while they excepted religious activity from taxation)?
     
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    "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's" Luke 20:25 and Mark 12:17. If the Constitution states that we're supposed to have a military and someone to enforce the laws, then I think that's a pretty good start.

    Any other questions? Ok. Now answer mine, please, if you can?
     
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    If you're being eternally tormented in a lake of fire, wouldn't you get used to it eventually? Plus, burning is something that happens to a physical being. Since our bodies die and get buried in the ground or cremated, what exactly feels pain? Our soul? How does a soul burn? I was raised Christian, I go to church occasionally, but I really don't get it. It doesn't make sense. And if you burn for awhile, I would think it would kill you and THEN where do you go? Furthermore, no matter how great Heaven is, wouldn't it get boring and become Hell in it's own way since it's never ending? It's scary but I'm not sure either option sounds all that great. I didn't exist before August 25th, 1974 and that seemed to go okay. I feel like the time after my death would be the same. Simply not existing. Also, if there is some sort of soul that can be tormented or live forever, when did it come to being and where did it come from? From my father's sperm? Did I have a soul the minute I was conceived? It's all so complicated.
     
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    I read all the Left Behind books. The post apocalypse story line interests me. And while they were written by bible scholar types, and the characters do pray and Believe, etc., I would liken the story to Angels and Demons (the Tom Hanks movie).
     
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    ok well, im going to be at work on saturday, so just in case the world ends, i love you jesus, and i always will, please keep my family safe.
     
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    I'm pretty sure there is nothing in either document about how to cool a nuclear reactor on a submarine either, is there?

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    nothing's happening. I'd bet everything I own.
     
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    Well, if it happens, are you really going to need your stuff anyway?
     
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    By all means I'd love for it to happen, but I'm not buying it. Harold Camping has been wrong before (1994) and if you believe the Bible it goes against what it says.

    For example:

    Matthew 24:36
    “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

    1 Thessalonians 5:2
    "for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night."
     
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    If I went on Facebook every day and pronounced that tomorrow is the rapture wouldn't that mean the rapture would never come?
     
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