Politics X sues Media Matters over report about ads appearing next to Nazi posts

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  1. theprunetang

    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    If Barfo wrote something like, "All non-pirates need to be executed," and I quoted him and responded with, "you are speaking the actual truth," how would you feel? Would you infer that I agreed with him? What if later I qualified that with, "I have nothing against non-pirates, but all of this hate needs to stop."? Would that somehow negate my agreeing with the initial statement?

    Your logic here makes no sense, and only acts to enable highly shitty genocidal language. It makes you sound like a Nazi sympathizer.
     
  2. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    All non-pirates need to be executed.

    There, I said it, and I'm not sorry.

    barfo
     
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  4. theprunetang

    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    You are speaking the actual truth.


    But to clarify, I don't hate non-pirates, I just agree that they all should die. There, I am in the clear now. Pheww.
     
  5. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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  6. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Okay. Please show me the links or screenshots in which Musk did this and I'll take this post seriously and apologize.
     
  7. SharpeScooterShooter

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    I knew we were getting dumbed down but now people play connect the dots without clear dots to connect. They just add dots where needed in order to finish painting their picture.
    Its jsut crazy.
    We should go back to color by numbers. But then people are already saying 2+2 = 5.
    Were so lost when people cant separate facts from opinions and alot of that is happening in here….
     
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  10. theprunetang

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    You have already seen it. It has been mentioned several times, including in a link you posted.

    Screenshot_20231124_153902_Chrome.jpg

    Unless you think agreeing with anti-jewish conspiracy theories is A-okay. This is the same conspiracy espoused by every neo-nazi on the planet, including those that have already acted on the their beliefs, like the Tree of Life synagogue shooter.

    You think this is okay? You think this is a normal thing to call "the actual truth?" Are some of your synapses not firing?
     
  11. SlyPokerDog

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    Times of Israel

    Elon Musk amplifies call by antisemites to ban the ADL from X

    Boss of platform formerly known as Twitter asks his followers if he should poll the platform about the hashtag #BanTheADL, embraced by white nationalists and others on far right

    JTA — Elon Musk is engaging with white nationalists and antisemites who want to ban the Anti-Defamation League from Twitter, the influential social media platform he now calls “X.”

    Musk on Saturday asked his followers whether he should poll the platform about a hashtag, #BanTheADL, embraced in recent days by white nationalists and others on the far right.

    Musk had earlier “liked” the tweet launching the hashtag by Keith Woods, an Irish white nationalist and self-described “raging antisemite.”


    “The ADL’s favourite tactic is financially blackmailing social media companies into removing free speech on their platforms,” Woods said in his Aug. 31 tweet. “Why should they have a platform on X to hold @elonmusk to ransom? It’s time to #BanTheADL.”

    Musk liked two subsequent tweets by Woods, who touted Musk’s support to his followers. The hashtag was widely embraced on Twitter by the far right, including by Andrew Torba, a Christian nationalist who refuses to speak with Jewish reporters and who founded Gab, a social media site, as a redoubt for the far right after Twitter started banning extremists. The shooter who killed 11 Jews at prayer in a Pittsburgh synagogue in 2018 broadcast hours plans on Gab before the attack.

    Woods’ tweet came after a day after Jonathan Greenblatt, the ADL’s CEO, spoke with Linda Yaccarino, the CEO of X, about users trafficking in hate on the platform. The ADL has tracked massive spikes in racist, antisemitic and homophobic content and harassment since Musk bought the platform last year and restored extremist accounts banned under the previous management.

    Greenblatt sounded positive about his conversation with Yaccarino, named to the job earlier this year after Musk ostensibly promised to cede leadership to a professional.

    “I had a very frank + productive conversation with @LindayaX yesterday about @X, what works and what doesn’t, and where it needs to go to address hate effectively on the platform,” Greenblatt tweeted on Aug. 30. “I appreciated her reaching out and I’m hopeful the service will improve. @ADL will be vigilant and give her and @ElonMusk credit if the service gets better… and reserve the right to call them out until it does.”

    In its response, the ADL attacked those who launched the campaign but did not mention Musk or his encouragement of the campaign.

    “ADL is unsurprised yet undeterred that antisemites, white supremacists, conspiracy theorists and other trolls have launched a coordinated attack on our organization,” said a statement emailed to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.

    “This onslaught comes following our participation in the 60th Anniversary of the March on Washington, where ADL proudly marched shoulder-to-shoulder with African-American leaders and those from other minority communities,” the statement said. “It also follows a meeting with the leadership of X, formerly known as Twitter, that clearly upset these hateful groups. Such insidious efforts don’t daunt us. Instead, they drive us to be unflinching in our commitment to fight hate in all its forms and ensure the safety of Jewish communities and other marginalized groups.”

    The ADL has criticized Musk but also has sought to accommodate some of his requests, including issuing a condemnation last month of an Apartheid-era fight song calling to kill white farmers. Musk, who is a native South African, claimed the song supports anti-white hate. In May, Musk clashed with the ADL after it took him to task for echoing antisemitic tropes in his attack on George Soros, the liberal Jewish megadonor and hedge funder.

    Musk, who claims to be a “free speech absolutist” has banned and made legal threats against journalists and others whose questions, tweets and statements upset him, with a focus on those, like the ADL, that track hate on the platform. In July, he sued the Center for Countering Digital Hate for its reports on Twitter.

    Musk’s poll question on Saturday, “Perhaps we should run a poll on this?” quoted an endorsement of the trend by a Dutch right-winger. In exchanges in the replies, which are overwhelmingly positive, Musk said the century-old Jewish civil rights group has been “hijacked by the woke mind virus” and says it would be funny if it were sued for defamation.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/elon-musk-amplifies-call-by-antisemites-to-ban-the-adl-from-x/
     
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    Although mostly off-topic to the current Elon discussion, this Ronan Farrow article contains some interesting stuff.

    barfo
     
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    I don’t think anything you write is compelling conversation, fucking idiotic.
     
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    That link isn't the same as what you posted. Nobody is advocating for any harm against anyone as far as I can tell.

    Perhaps I'm just not knowledgeable enough regarding these claims to know I should be upset.

    I've never seen Musk support harming anybody or make any statements about the behavior of any specific race, so it just looks to me like he's gotten frustrated with some blowback he's receiving, possibly due to the Starlink/Ukraine situation.

    Judging by the way I've heard him discussing the Israel/Palestine conflict he didn't come off as an antisemite.

    This seems to make the most sense to me.

    However, if he's going to allow offensive propaganda on his platform and then run ads next to it he's probably not going to keep many sponsors. This is partly why I think he'll fail with X.

    It still seems a reach to be calling somebody a racist for calling out somebody as displaying racist or antisocial tendencies... Or to be associating it with any kind of conspiracy.

    That seems like a dangerous precedent.

    But, as I said, I fully support the companies pulling out from having their ads displayed next to offensive content.
     
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    Excellent! That's exactly the kind of comment we've come to expect from you.
     
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    This feels more and more like trying to talk to an antivaxxer. No matter how many studies you show demonstrating the difference in infection and death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated they keep saying there is no connection.
     
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    Its very dangerous but far from a precedent. Some have been connecting dots like this for years….
     
  18. theprunetang

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    It's a classic anti-jewish conspiracy theory. Calling it the truth only means one thing. I'm not sure if you are purposefully obfuscating this, or if you are truly incapable of understanding. I am astounded by how much you are bending over backwards for this.

    You can surely reply to this, as is your right, but I think I am done talking to you. This is the kind of behavior that "good Germans" had that allowed Nazism to take power. I hope you do some reading and some soul-searching before it comes to that.
     
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    Unfortunately I wasn't greeted with studies. Mostly just people claiming that calling somebody a hypocrite is the same as saying they want that person executed.

    And then attacking a person for being dubious of that claim.

    However, some people were interested in sharing information, so it's more clear now after reading some of the additional links that the ADL has a problem with what Musk is allowing on X (reasonably so, as do many others), and he's getting a ton of pressure for it from from sponsors.

    It doesn't seem like that far of a stretch to link his response here as being directed at the ADL due to that corporate pressure. I'd welcome any other links anybody would like to share.

    I apologize if my ignorance of the situation has offended some of you. That wasn't my intention.

    I'm still not convinced Musk is racist or antisemitic, but I do appreciate the additional links that have been shared and feel I am now better educated on the topic and will be more aware in the future.
     
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