Politics X sues Media Matters over report about ads appearing next to Nazi posts

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  1. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

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    I guess if ADL wasn't so mean to poor little Elon ....
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    I think the ADL is supposed to be mean to Musk in this case. They have to push hard on that side.

    Totally understandable from their perspective, as far as I can tell.

    I'm not sure exactly where the line on free speech should be, but confrontations like this should help clarify that.

    So hopefully something good comes from it.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I think "promoting", "encouraging", or "sponsoring" would be more accurate than "allowing".

    It's not like he owns a bar and some Nazis wandered in, and hey, he's in the business of selling drinks, so he serves them. [That's the Zuckerberg Bar down the street]

    It's more like he owns a bar and is advertising "Nazis drink free on Fridays!"

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    Solid point. I think he's trying to be content agnostic, and let the algorithm choose the ads.

    He's going to find out that it will not work if he wants to make money on the site.

    If he just wants to run it at a loss with no advertising so he can say he's the steward of free speech it'll probably turn into the next 4chan.

    I don't think he's interested in doing that.
     
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    Malicious defamation isn't considered "speech". There's a long precedent of that in US law.

    X's case, is that Media Matters created new accounts, and went around following accounts who were putting out certain content, in order to create timelines that were dominated by that content. They then published those timelines with the ads in order to harm their advertising. So yeah, X does allow free speech, within certain limits. But it only shows you that stuff if you follow or engage with those accounts.
     
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    I can put this in a context many of you on here can understand. Imagine if Elon Musk never bought Twitter.

    A christian conservative group created accounts, and followed a bunch of accounts that promote the concept of "MAP acceptance". Then constructed a timeline filled with that content next to ads to make it look like Twitter was actively promoting that content in order, to scare advertisers away from the platform. You might agree, there's a legal case there.

    Because that is not the same thing as simply reporting example of content that is allowed to be on Twitter (which is perfectly acceptable to do).

    Anyway, sorry to interrrupt, back to your "ELON MUSK IS A NAZIII" rantings....
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So, I think your defense has some holes, but maybe I don't understand it. I definitely don't understand what "MAP acceptance" means.

    It's clearly not the case that there's some sort of magic algorithm that keeps normal advertisements from appearing alongside Nazi content, or it wouldn't be possible to show the two together without photoshopping, and that's not the claim here. So I guess the claim is that it's ok to show normal advertisements next to Nazi content, as long as only Nazis see them together?

    There are a few problems with that. First of all, there isn't some sort of magic algorithm that prevents normal humans from seeing Nazi content on Xitter. In fact it's quite the opposite. The whole point of Elon's so-called free speech movement is to get Nazi content in front of normal people. If the Nazis (and I'm obviously using Nazi here as a shorthand for lots of different types of deplorables) just wanted to just talk to each other, they already have lots of platforms for that. If Elon didn't want normal people to see Nazi content, he could have kept them off the platform or at least not amplified their messages to his own followers - some of whom are, or at least were, normal humans. In fact, at one point early this year, Elon forced everyone to see his posts, don't know if that's still the case today.

    Edit: forgot one point - it is probably the case that even if Nazi content was only visible to Nazis and no one else, the advertisers wouldn't want to have their ads show next to it. Note that most reputable companies don't advertise on sites catering specifically to Nazis.

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    MAP is an acronym for "Minor Attracted Person". It's meant to legitimize pedophilia.

    The X algorithm shows you things you follow and comment on, among other things. I've never seen any "nazi content" on the platform. I could GET it to appear in my feed, by searching for it, following and engaging in those accounts.

    Your statement that free speech is to get nazi content in front of people is absolutely false.
     
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    Ok. You are the only one I've ever seen use it.

    "among other things"

    If you follow (or are forced to follow) Elon, you would have.

    That's an assertion that flies in the face of evidence already presented here.

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    Certainly this. No upstanding company wants to sponsor Nazi (or racist/maga) content. I'm sure no sponsors will come back unless there are assurances it will not happen again. In fact, I'd be willing to bet it will be in the contract and X would owe damages if it were to happen again.

    There is no way to monetize that content outside the MAGA bubble. X will never be profitable if doesn't shut that down.
     
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    Well, ok, you're using the lefttard definition of Nazi, so we can't even discuss this rationally.
     
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    It's true, I'm abbreviating "antisemitic, racist, homophobic, misogynist, fascist, xenophobic, authoritarian, and/or Nazi" as "Nazi". It's just shorter, even 'basket of deplorables' is too long to type 10 times in a post.

    barfo
     
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    beast blazer Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, you like your little baseless accusations. Meaningless leftist word salad.
     
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    You have to step back and realize why the establishment is angry and Elon Musk. They basically had backend access to control the platform under the old regime. Musk came in and ended that, and they don't like losing that control. So they launch these coordinated attacks on him, calling him a Nazi etc. As one who sees through their BS, it's frustrating to see so many fall for it.

    Haven't you figured out the game by now?
     
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    Lol fucking clown
     
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    You see Don Lemon somewhere?
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    "Mike Lindell is going to present evidence soon that exposes everything! Then you'll see! You'll ALL SEE!"

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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    There can be no rational discussion with some who uses terms like "lefttard". I don't think you understand how ignorant your posts sound to normal people.
     
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    Rabidly comparing everyone you don't agree with to "nazis" and throwing that label around so wily nilly is a great example of being a lefttard. It's a term that was actually stolen years ago from the left, who used the term righttard. A factoid many don't know. Knowing is half the battle.
     
  20. theprunetang

    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Did someone who is not me sometime in the past use the word "righttard"? Never heard it, but I'm sure some idiot did. Probably several idiots. The thing is though: it is a ridiculously stupid thing to say. That's why that term has never left my lips or been left as an artifact on a computer screen by the inane typing of my fingers. Yet, you thrive with using the opposite. It really says a lot about both of us.

    And try reading about the parallels between any fascist regime and the current republican party. It is not a flattering look. If you would like to keep your head in the sand, that is your right. It is sad that so many are choosing to be on the wrong side of history. But you know, have a good day.
     
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