uuuuh wait a minute. how about some blame on the fucking marlins and jeffrey loria? 15m illion is pathetic. more important than a hard cap, is a hard BOTTOM. LORIA is corrupting the game. He ruins the marlins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Sep 24 2006, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>uuuuh wait a minute. how about some blame on the fucking marlins and jeffrey loria? 15m illion is pathetic. more important than a hard cap, is a hard BOTTOM. LORIA is corrupting the game. He ruins the marlins.</div>Yeah. Something like that. Remember that '04 World Series? I know I sure do. (Even though i'm not 100% sure it was '04)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Sep 24 2006, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Sep 24 2006, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>uuuuh wait a minute. how about some blame on the fucking marlins and jeffrey loria? 15m illion is pathetic. more important than a hard cap, is a hard BOTTOM. LORIA is corrupting the game. He ruins the marlins.</div>Yeah. Something like that. Remember that '04 World Series? I know I sure do. (Even though i'm not 100% sure it was '04)</div>He doesn't have the dough.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ Sep 24 2006, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Sep 24 2006, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Sep 24 2006, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>uuuuh wait a minute. how about some blame on the fucking marlins and jeffrey loria? 15m illion is pathetic. more important than a hard cap, is a hard BOTTOM. LORIA is corrupting the game. He ruins the marlins.</div>Yeah. Something like that. Remember that '04 World Series? I know I sure do. (Even though i'm not 100% sure it was '04)</div>He doesn't have the dough.</div>Which is the Marlins own fault. Florida was a great fan base until he dismantled the team following the 97 World Series and they never came back for the most part. Treat your fans like shit and they wont always come back.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 23 2006, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 23 2006, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^ Couldn't be any more true.</div>Then may you be blessed with the moral purity of poverty for your entire life. :thumbsup:</div>That's not true either.Just cause something is a direct opposite doesn't mean that everything is the direct opposite. Once you reach the opposite extreme, you will do something similar.It's a pretty basic fact of philosophy and probably psychology. When you're at an extreme, you will basically do something morally incorrect as a result of it.Take religion for a prime example. Radical religious people want to convert everyone in the world they meet. People that are totally against religion will do anything to get rid of religion, if it's vandalizing a church, putting graffitti all on the sides, throwing rocks at the stained glass, etc.For this situation, rich people are evil because in order to get to the top, you need to screw people over. If you're poor, you're likely to do criminal acts in order to survive.Politics is another example. Far right conservatives try to make the government into a religious sect and hope to keep the rich, rich. Far left liberals basically try for something along the lines of communism.Being in the middle is probably the best morally for a person. You're well-off but you're not filthy rich and screwing people over and taking money from the common man. Not saying there aren't benefits to being filthy rich though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 25 2006, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 23 2006, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 23 2006, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^ Couldn't be any more true.</div>Then may you be blessed with the moral purity of poverty for your entire life. :thumbsup:</div>That's not true either.Just cause something is a direct opposite doesn't mean that everything is the direct opposite. Once you reach the opposite extreme, you will do something similar.It's a pretty basic fact of philosophy and probably psychology. When you're at an extreme, you will basically do something morally incorrect as a result of it.Take religion for a prime example. Radical religious people want to convert everyone in the world they meet. People that are totally against religion will do anything to get rid of religion, if it's vandalizing a church, putting graffitti all on the sides, throwing rocks at the stained glass, etc.For this situation, rich people are evil because in order to get to the top, you need to screw people over. If you're poor, you're likely to do criminal acts in order to survive.Politics is another example. Far right conservatives try to make the government into a religious sect and hope to keep the rich, rich. Far left liberals basically try for something along the lines of communism.Being in the middle is probably the best morally for a person. You're well-off but you're not filthy rich and screwing people over and taking money from the common man. Not saying there aren't benefits to being filthy rich though.</div>Yada yada yada, you are just posturing because you made the idiotic statement that being rich makes you evil. (Or rather I made the statement in a satirical sense and you agreed with it in a literal sense).
[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='70525' date='Sep 24 2006, 03:50 PM'][quote name='BrianUrlacher54' post='70521' date='Sep 24 2006, 12:40 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='70484' date='Sep 24 2006, 01:55 PM'][quote name='Nebkreb' post='70423' date='Sep 24 2006, 09:21 AM']uuuuh wait a minute. how about some blame on the fucking marlins and jeffrey loria? 15m illion is pathetic. more important than a hard cap, is a hard BOTTOM. LORIA is corrupting the game. He ruins the marlins.[/quote]Yeah. Something like that. Remember that '04 World Series? I know I sure do. (Even though i'm not 100% sure it was '04)[/quote]He doesn't have the dough.[/quote]Which is the Marlins own fault. Florida was a great fan base until he dismantled the team following the 97 World Series and they never came back for the most part. Treat your fans like shit and they wont always come back.[/quote]Loria didn't own them until 2003, and the owner in 1997 lost 40 million that year.
Open your eyes and stop being ignorant of the "real" world.Only rich people are stupid enough to believe that being rich doesn't make you evil because their ignorant and live in the own bubble that is away from reality.Oil conglomerates could spare 1 billion in profits for lower gas prices back in the day but they didnt. Dick Cheney probably made millions of dollars by the U.S. going into Middle Eastern countries. Nike makes a $100+ profit on every pair of shoes they sell. Large companies just cut millions of dollars of health benefits and pension money in order to make sure the upper management will keep money in their pocket. Pharmaceutical companies could cut the price of medicines by a lot and still make large profits but since health insurance is in place, they jack up prices to make themselves richer. If the wealthiest 1% of Americans (they control around 35% of the U.S.'s total wealth) donates half of their money, they could end world hunger. Hospitals infalte the price of treatment for someone with no insurance. All companies outsource production labor and customer service because it costs their cuts and allows them to keep money in their pocket. The legal system in America is great if you have the right amount of money (ask OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson). Politicans are all rich and beyond corrupt. In fact, they are the easily swayed by money, they throw out all morals for campaign contributions from special interest groups. Sports teams that have the richest owners in the largest markets always get the best players, making the poor, small market teams have to deal with poor quality of players every year. Colleges with the best boosters can purchase the best recruits to play for their team. Athletes complain about "not making enough money" all the time. In order to rise your way to the top of the food chain, you had to throw a few people out on the streets by beating them out.Money corrupts and makes you greedy. No matter what by default, if you're rich, you had to do some evil things in order to get there. And once you get there, there's no stopping what more one can do.It's not bad at all to be rich. In fact, everyone should aspire and work to be rich but you have to recognize what moral boundaries you're willing to cross. The biggest problem is most forget how they got there. When people get rich, they take it for granted when they should actually be grateful cause money can be stripped at any second.The only rich person with honest morals is probably Bill Gates. He donates hundreds of millions and lots of his time to charities every year. And even he had to screw over a few people to get Microsoft where it is and is able to keep a monopoly on the industry. Maybe Warren Buffett. But being a saavy investor, although you reap the benefits, when you sell, someone has to buy and the price is likely to drop once they buy. But he did donate a lot of his fortune to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ Sep 25 2006, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Loria didn't own them until 2003, and the owner in 1997 lost 40 million that year.</div>1) I know, but Huizenga was just as terrible an owner.2) <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Following the World Series victory team owner Wayne Huizenga claimed massive financial losses which would later prove to be mostly false as he reported team and stadium earnings separately. He dismantled the team by trading off most of the club's most talented players. Among them, Moises Alou was traded to the Houston Astros, Bobby Bonilla was traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers, Kevin Brown was traded to the San Diego Padres and Gary Sheffield was traded to the Dodgers as well (for Mike Piazza, who was immediately traded again, this time to the New York Mets). Fans were outraged by this "fire sale," some comparing it to Huizenga's Blockbuster Video selling used tapes at bargain rates. Some disgruntled fans came up with the slogan, "Wait 'til last year!" Marlins home attendance plummeted.</div>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_MarlinsThere was nothing wrong with the Marlins until 1997 when Huizenga pissed them off with a Fire Sale for his own personal reasons. It killed most of their fan base who turned their back on the Marlins and never came back. 1993 Attendance - 3,064,8571994 Attendance - 1,937,4671995 Attendance - 1,700,4661996 Attendance - 1,746,7671997 Attendance - 2,364,387Won First World Series, Dismantled Team Over 1997 Offseason/1998 Season1998 Attendance - 1,750,3951999 Attendance - 1,369,4212000 Attendance - 1,218,3262001 Attendance - 1,261,2202002 Attendance - 813,111Team Sold to Jeffrey Luria, Back to Competitive Baseball, or so they thought. 2003 Attendance - 1,303,2142004 Attendance - 1,724,1052005 Attendance - 1,823,388Jeffrey Luria turns on the Fans, Firesale Version 2 2006 Attendance - 1,009,732
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 25 2006, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Open your eyes and stop being ignorant of the "real" world.Only rich people are stupid enough to believe that being rich doesn't make you evil because their ignorant and live in the own bubble that is away from reality.</div>Only poor people who are incredibly jealous would say something like that.
both of you are wrong. plenty of rich people are realistic, generous and charitable people, who appreciate their wealth and dont take it for granted.there are also plenty of egotistical, selfish and head-in-the-clouds poorer people. you cant make base generalizations.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Sep 25 2006, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>both of you are wrong. plenty of rich people are realistic, generous and charitable people, who appreciate their wealth and dont take it for granted.there are also plenty of egotistical, selfish and head-in-the-clouds poorer people. you cant make base generalizations.</div>That doesn't make me wrong. I never said all rich people were good people. I just said rich doesn't mean evil.Thank you for agreeing with me.
