<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 12 2006, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No not at all. So if a 8 foot guy just stood there and didnt even move only turned the direction of the offensive player and effected his shot it would be playing good defense? That doesn't make sense at all...</div>if he was as smart as Yao and positioned himself correctly and knew how to get other centers to not come in the paint, then yes.
The Rockets lading the league in fewest allowed points to oppenents can mainly be credited to Yao's height not Yao's D. Face it, Yao isn't athletic or quick enough to be a good defender. He is also very passive and doesn't get around quick enough. The thing is, the center position is mainly to clog the hole inside and Camby does that better then Yao, I do not care about offense. The Rockets may need Yao to score for them, and that is great but hey, 15 points plus very good defense is better for me. If I were picking a player for the Raps there's no question I would take Camby or Shaq over Yao.
If you go by the positions in which players play, then Amare is by bounds better than Yao Ming and any other center in this league. However, the only reason Amare is playing Center is because it fits with Phoenix, and with most other teams he would be a PF. Yao right now is playing incredibly, and is virtually a guaranteed 25 and 12 per night. He does it with high percentages, and seems to be toughening up somewhat. Like I've mentioned, I don't know whay everyone expects him to be Shaq, because he plays a completely different style. However, if he continues to play like this, hopefully he will atleast be mentioned with Shaq
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 12 2006, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Rockets lading the league in fewest allowed points to oppenents can mainly be credited to Yao's height not Yao's D. Face it, Yao isn't athletic or quick enough to be a good defender. He is also very passive and doesn't get around quick enough. The thing is, the center position is mainly to clog the hole inside and Camby does that better then Yao, I do not care about offense. The Rockets may need Yao to score for them, and that is great but hey, 15 points plus very good defense is better for me. If I were picking a player for the Raps there's no question I would take Camby or Shaq over Yao.</div>Yao is smart, and he uses his size to his advantage. If MJ didn't use his athelticism to his advantage, he wouldn't be in the top 500 all time.Yao is also very ahtletic and very finesse and uses his great footwork to his advantage. All fo these things mixed together make him the top center in the league, offensively and one of the best defensively.
Yao is the best center in the league right now. He just isn't getting any help on his team right now. Yao is a good defender as well. I think you are greatly overrating Camby. He is not as good as Yao or Ben Wallace for that matter and if Amare was healthy I would add him to that list.
Yao's height makes it tougher for the opposition to score on himMaking the job tougher for the opposition is the point of defenseAND there is no way that you can seriously tell me that size wouldn't help "clog the hole".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 12 2006, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yao is the best center in the league right now. He just isn't getting any help on his team right now. Yao is a good defender as well. I think you are greatly overrating Camby. He is not as good as Yao or Ben Wallace for that matter and if Amare was healthy I would add him to that list.</div>wtf u talking about. i agree with Camby being overrated but Yao aintt teh best center. Amare is better, B.Wallace is better, Shaq is better, Okafor will be better than him in two years or so.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 12 2006, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yao is smart, and he uses his size to his advantage. If MJ didn't use his athelticism to his advantage, he wouldn't be in the top 500 all time.Yao is also very ahtletic and very finesse and uses his great footwork to his advantage. All fo these things mixed together make him the top center in the league, offensively and one of the best defensively.</div>But he is still not as solid as a defender as Camby. And yeah Yao makes 5 more ppg then Camby, omg. Big deal. Yao is the 2nd option and 1st now since Mac is injured. What is Camby? Fifth Option. IMO Centers dont have to be great scorers so I'd take that 15 ppg, 12 rpg, 3 bpg and great d rather thn 20 and 10 and okay defense...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jamminawarrior30 @ Mar 13 2006, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wtf u talking about. i agree with Camby being overrated but Yao aintt teh best center. Amare is better, B.Wallace is better, Shaq is better, Okafor will be better than him in two years or so.</div>Amare is better when healthy though he is really a power forward, B. Wallace is not as good defensively with Flip as the coach, Shaq is not even close to the player he used to be, and Okafor isn't a center. Yao is playing at another level right now though at the beginning of the season you could make a point Yao isn't as good as the others above.
I'm sorry but Okafor will not be better then Yao Ming. Right now I think Yao is 3rd. Behind Shaq and Marcus Camby.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 13 2006, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But he is still not as solid as a defender as Camby. And yeah Yao makes 5 more ppg then Camby, omg. Big deal. Yao is the 2nd option and 1st now since Mac is injured. What is Camby? Fifth Option. IMO Centers dont have to be great scorers so I'd take that 15 ppg, 12 rpg, 3 bpg and great d rather thn 20 and 10 and okay defense...</div>Offense isn't closehe gets 7 points more on a higher FG%- that is significant. There is a reason Yao is a first/second option- it is because HE IS A MUCH MORE RELIABLE SCORER (been averaging 27.5 PPG on 53% over the last ten).As for the defense- first you are saying Yao is a bad defensive player, now you are saying "okay", I'll wait for your next post
Yes, but I really don't care about offense. There are other guys on any team that can score so for the third time, it really makes no difference to me whether the Center scored 20 or 15.
But this is a staright up comparision.Yao vs ShaqOn offense- TieOn Defense- YaoYao winsYao vs WallaceOn offense- Yao with easeOn defense- Ben [ben wallace isnt't even the best man to man defender on his team, his good at help defense]Yao winsYao vs CambyOn offense- YaoOn defense- CambySo as you can see the only person this season comparable to Yao is Camby, however The gap between their offense is bigger than the gap between their defense.As you can see now Yao is the best center in the league.
No it is not. If Camby got more looks then he would be scoring around 18 points per game as well. he has a nice shot and is good at put backs and offense is alot less important then defense for a center and the gap is alot bigger on defense then you think. Yao is just a <Censored>, he is slow, passive, he might effect players' shtos but thats pretty much it. And that is his height doing that not him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Mar 13 2006, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But this is a staright up comparision.Yao vs ShaqOn offense- TieOn Defense- YaoYao winsYao vs WallaceOn offense- Yao with easeOn defense- Ben [ben wallace isnt't even the best man to man defender on his team, his good at help defense]Yao winsYao vs CambyOn offense- YaoOn defense- CambySo as you can see the only person this season comparable to Yao is Camby, however The gap between their offense is bigger than the gap between their defense.As you can see now Yao is the best center in the league.</div>Pretty gay logic, but I do agree that he is a great player and possibly the best center in the league. I just don't like the way you arrived at that conclusion.
But it's a straight up comparision. Yao is better than all thecenters in the league, i'm not comparing how their teams are going or whateva. I'm talking about their indivdual games.Secondly CB stop assuming. Were talking about facts, the facts are that Yao is scoring more than Camby and is doing it effeciently.
