<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 13 2006, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No it is not. If Camby got more looks then he would be scoring around 18 points per game as well. he has a nice shot and is good at put backs and offense is alot less important then defense for a center and the gap is alot bigger on defense then you think. Yao is just a <Censored>, he is slow, passive, he might effect players' shtos but thats pretty much it. And that is his height doing that not him.</div>WTF do you think defefnse is?
CB. if you say that "centers are made for defense." then i guess centers like dikembe mutumbo is better than shaq because mutumbo > shaq on defense-- carreer stats.and then point guards are made for leading their team by getting assists and making plays. so luke ridnour is better than gilbert arenas because he is better at passing the ball?your reasoning isn't right. yao is the best center in the league, playing on offense and on defense. you said yourself get off the stat-sheets. yao does more things for his team that isn't on the stats (altering shots, setting screens) than marcus camby, ben wallace, or shaquille o' neal does. so in that way, his defense is better.yao is the best center in the league. if you start a team right now today would you really choose any other center in the league other than yao ming? no.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (regularguy @ Mar 14 2006, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB. if you say that "centers are made for defense." then i guess centers like dikembe mutumbo is better than shaq because mutumbo > shaq on defense-- carreer stats.and then point guards are made for leading their team by getting assists and making plays. so luke ridnour is better than gilbert arenas because he is better at passing the ball?your reasoning isn't right. yao is the best center in the league, playing on offense and on defense. you said yourself get off the stat-sheets. yao does more things for his team that isn't on the stats (altering shots, setting screens) than marcus camby, ben wallace, or shaquille o' neal does. so in that way, his defense is better.yao is the best center in the league. if you start a team right now today would you really choose any other center in the league other than yao ming? no.</div>No because Deke is getting old and tired and he is slow right now, he can't play offense worth a damn. And the pg's job is to generate offense whether that means shooting or passing. Gilbert scores 27 ppg without being too selfish and Ridnour is just a solid pg but I'd definately gie it to Arenas. No, what are you talking about? Camby is much better then Yao on defense. He guards the basket very well, he is a tough inside guy, blocks 3 shots a game, gets 12 boards a game. Yao is just standing around being a <Censored>. Come on, if I were 7"6 Iw ould get atleast 3 bpg. And with the height advantage Yao just towers over everyone and gets open shots quite easily and it is easy for him to just put in the layup. I bet if he were 6"10 or w/e he wouldn't be nearly as dominant in the paint and would be a 12-14 ppg just because of his nice jumper. Lets face it boys, Yao doesn't have skill at all on defense, it is height that is playing the defense for him.
CB your whole argument that Yao doesnt play good d he just stands in the middle is just wrong. If thats true, what ever happened to shawn bradley? you cant allow fewest points in the paint without playing great d. and thats that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 14 2006, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No because Deke is getting old and tired and he is slow right now, he can't play offense worth a damn. And the pg's job is to generate offense whether that means shooting or passing. Gilbert scores 27 ppg without being too selfish and Ridnour is just a solid pg but I'd definately gie it to Arenas. No, what are you talking about? Camby is much better then Yao on defense. He guards the basket very well, he is a tough inside guy, blocks 3 shots a game, gets 12 boards a game. Yao is just standing around being a <Censored>. Come on, if I were 7"6 Iw ould get atleast 3 bpg. And with the height advantage Yao just towers over everyone and gets open shots quite easily and it is easy for him to just put in the layup. I bet if he were 6"10 or w/e he wouldn't be nearly as dominant in the paint and would be a 12-14 ppg just because of his nice jumper. Lets face it boys, Yao doesn't have skill at all on defense, it is height that is playing the defense for him.</div>Who gives a <Censored> what "is playing the defense for him," the fact is he is EFFECTIVE (as seen by the stats) on the defensive end making him a good defensive playerDefense is more than just blocks, steals, and rebounds- it is the ABILITY TO STOP THE OPPOSITION and Yao does that well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Mar 14 2006, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Effective and good defensive player are tootally different.</div>How so?If you can consistantly play effective defense then how can you not be considered a good defensive player?Your logic is totally flawed
Ben wallace isn't a skillfull defender, he's just a freak of nature. He's not even the best man to man defender on his team, he lives of help defense.And isn't defense keeping the opposition from scoring, or altering shots? Yao's doing that and that is defense. Therefore he is a good defender.I'd take a great offensive player [latley he's become that] and good defense of a medicore offense and great defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ilovebball @ Mar 14 2006, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How so?If you can consistantly play effective defense then how can you not be considered a good defensive player?Your logic is totally flawed</div>omg being tall has nothng to do with him being a good defender. It is his height that is effecting the players' shots not him.If he were 6"10 then he would be a bad defensive player. Way too passive.
That's stupid, he's tall, so what. I'm so sick of hearing "if so and so were 6'7" he's be the best player ever" it's <Censored> <Censored>. He has an unfair advantage so he plays good defense. If Shaq were 160 lbs then he would suck also.
Speaking of Yao, he is dominating tonight with 27 points and 11 rebounds already in the first half. Saying that points at the center position aren't that important is just ignorant. He is getting no help. Juwan Howard sucks on both sides of the floor, Alston is talented but not smart, Bogans is a poor small forward, and Head isn't ready to play at a high level. Yao is a one man team since Mcgrady is out.
Oh my bad. Alston's game is flashy but he doesn't seem to get the job done. Don't know what he is lacking but maybe it is size.
It is because he is a selfish asshole who likes to jack 3 pointers. He can't shoot for <Censored>. He has no offensive game.
I think it is mostly size which causes him to not finish well at the basket or find the open player, let other outside threats shoot over him, and wait til Houston is losing by double digits before doing anything.
He's been doing pretty good. He justs needs to learn not to jack up shots.Yao Ming is still getting 30+ and 10 but is not winning. Doesn't matter though. Yao Ming can get his statline up =D.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 16 2006, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it is mostly size which causes him to not finish well at the basket or find the open player, let other outside threats shoot over him, and wait til Houston is losing by double digits before doing anything.</div>It's mostly because he's a dumbass and tries to some fancy <Censored> all the time. :thumbdn1:
Well Rockets have quite a bit of guys expiring, but are they still over the cap? That could be a start if their under but I think Yao's extension put them over.They really don't need a big overhaul, a coaching change, a nice draft pick and some role player pick ups will help in offseason.
