Yes or No LMA and pieces for Bosh?

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  1. speeds

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    Dunno why you guys are thinking about this again... really not a significant upgrade from LMA.
     
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    That's it, in a nutshell. Aldridge has just as much natural talent as Bosh, but he lacks a work ethic. I'm afraid he's just another Rashweed Wallace in the making.

    I would do the trade. Bosh would love playing with Roy.
     
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    That's true. Although I was thinking more along the lines of Bosh being the one who might not care for deferring to Roy.

    I have a theory about B-Roy. I don't think he's as selfish as some have suggested. Does he have an ego? Yeah, sure he does. But I think the main reason he struggled with the idea of Miller coming in here is that he just didn't (doesn't) think Miller is all that good. I don't think his primary concern is Miller taking shots away from him, but that the team is simply better when he has the ball vs Andre. Imagine you are Brandon. Would you want to defer to a guy who you don't think is very good? I honestly think if (just for comparison) the Blazers brought in Chris Paul, Brandon would be A-Okay with giving up the ball. Because he knows the team will be better b/c of it. I don't think he believes the team is better when Andre has the ball vs himself.
     
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    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

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    this.
     
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    Thank you sir :cheers:
     
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    Whenever Brandon has the ball, he is looking for his own shot and passes to a teammate only when necessary. There are a few times I see him give it to Joel for the easy dunk. Andre can get other players involved without having them sit at the 3 point line. Not fond of some of his shots, but the ball movement is 100X better with him in the game.

    I love what he has done for the franchise, but Brandon has to accept this or become a better distributor for this team to take the next step.
     
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    I am not sure why Toronto would do this. Bosh is their only rebounder.

    LMAs rebounding is like MIXUM being happy. It doesn't happen often.
     
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    Untrue, Amir Johnson.
     
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    Big 5 rebounds a game!!! Nice!
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Think rebound rate, not rpg. Johnson is quite good at 17.1%. (by contrast LMA is about 13%)
     
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    yeah, Toronto really has no reason to replace Bosh with Aldridge, even if it does net them another nice piece. If Bosh and Bargs isn't working, why would Bargs and LMA? It would be a very similar front court.
     
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    It's not really a matter of that. The point for Toronto would be to get something for a guy who is obviously leaving them next summer. While it would be nice if it worked out talent wise, that is secondary to receiving ample value in return just to get something for Bosh.
     
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    I understand the concept of trying to get something, but I'd take 90 cents on that dollar of LMA if the something was a better fit thanLMA would be. In other words, if they were to shop him, and LMA was the absolute peak of the value offered for him, I'd prefer to take slightly less value for a player that played more a position of need, or fitthe direction of the team better.
     
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    I know some folks are frustrated with Aldridge, but almost every season Aldridge has been here he has started slow and finished the season strong. The other argument being, what is a fit for this team at the 4? Is the problem the player, or the coach? I see the team go away from Aldridge for 10+ minutes at a time, and he can't produce without the ball. That isn't his fault. Would it matter if Bosh was here, if the team did the same thing?

    The other thing to remember when comparing the two is, Bosh is on what I now consider a running team. Running teams stats are inflated. It is something to consider.
     
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    I'm not arguing for us. I like Aldridge a lot, and want him on our team. I am saying for Toronto, there is no reason to trade for Aldridge, and if I were Toronto, I would take slightly less value for Bosh than Aldridge if it meant a better fit. I feel Aldridge is a fine fit here. Sorry for the confusion. I think Aldridge would put up much better numbers if he was actually officiated well. Every game, he comes across the lane 4 or 5 times and gets bumped into hard while putting up a shot, and I'd say 1 out of 5 or 6 times, he actually gets the call. Meanwhile, when we cover someone that same way, we are almost always called for the foul. Aldridge should get 6 or 8 FT attempts per game if he was called well. And if those numbers went up, allof a sudden his "soft" label would go away.
     
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    This is why Nik is my favourite poster in the Blazer forum. Considering Amir doesn't start, he is a good rebounder
     
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    Yeah Amir goes about 9rbs/30 mins but his fouling is an issue at 30mpg.

    The trade makes sense for Toronto if the team isn't taking back a lot of weighty contracts. LMA isn't much of a downgrade from Bosh and I guess the situation would be Toronto trying to get back something of value for Bosh.

    I don't really like the trade for Portland though because LMA is 80% of Bosh anyway and perhaps just needs a couple more years to get even closer.
     
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    The only problem I have with Amir, is he is one of those "Athletic project players". You know, the type that we have got here and there, and we wait 5 years for them to become a below average player. Those types. I am sick of waiting forever for a player to not live up to their billing. Get guys that can ball from the start and you are better off.
     
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    Well, he wasn't supposed to be much for Toronto anyway but since Reggie got hurt, he's be the most consistent Raptor. All he needs to do is hustle and get rebounds and he does that. The fact we got Sonny Weems in that deal makes it even better.
     
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    That's completely the opposite of what Johnson is. He's a fifth year guy who has posted PERs of 20 twice, 17, 13 and now 15 this year. He's an undersized 4 and he plays a hustle style game with little to no post moves. This isn't a project player we're talking about here, he was a late second round pick which is why he's always been a backup.
     

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