Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 21 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I think he's going to be like Yao Ming athletically, but not as talented or genetically gifted. He just looks like he's going to tire out quickly... doesn't necessarily look like a guy that can get free or be agile. Hopefully what I'm saying makes sense to everybody.</div>He's much much more athletic than Yao. Yi is a perimeter oriented big man that puts the ball on the floor more than he spends time in the post. He is quite agile for his size, not at all a stiff like Yao. Now, he might have trouble getting past players if thats what you mean in the NBA at the 3 (I doubt he'd see much time there), but from the looks of it he is the type of player that can create mismatches at the 4 on the outside like Antawn Jamison and Lamar Odom do. A lot of people make the comparison to Pau Gasol, but I think Yi is more of a ballhandler and less of a post presence right now.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! Yi Jianlian and Yao Ming have nothing in common, why do people keeping bringing that up. They play different positions, they are completely different players, completely different styles, the only thing they have in common is nationality.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! Yi Jianlian is a softy with a good mid range jumpshot, and good athletic ability. Still though, I don't know if his athleticism is much better than players in the NBA considering that players in China are far less athletic, so even if he was the most athletic player in China, that doesn't mean he's the next Amare Stoudemire...He can't play in the post, and he isn't used to North American basketball...He does have good upside, but he will NOT have a good year next season. Quote me on that. That was a really dumb ass post Raptorfan.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jun 21 2007, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi Jianlian and Yao Ming have nothing in common, why do people keeping bringing that up. They play different positions, they are completely different players, completely different styles, the only thing they have in common is nationality.</div>All I said was that they look similar athletically. I didn't say they played the same position, that they were the same player, that they had similar styles, or the like. But thanks for putting in that worthless piece of input.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 21 2007, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi Jianlian is a softy with a good mid range jumpshot, and good athletic ability. Still though, I don't know if his athleticism is much better than players in the NBA considering that players in China are far less athletic, so even if he was the most athletic player in China, that doesn't mean he's the next Amare Stoudemire...He can't play in the post, and he isn't used to North American basketball...He does have good upside, but he will NOT have a good year next season. Quote me on that. That was a really dumb ass post Raptorfan.</div>How do you know hes a softy?And if your athletic, your athletic...your its not like when you step into the western hemisphere you become less athletic.International players can have good rookie season...Pau Gasol, who hes often compared to, came in and average 17ppg, 8rpg and 2bpg....You honestly have probably seen him on youtube and you also stereotype him because it seems unless your from America, your a big softy...which is absolutly not true.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 21 2007, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How do you know hes a softy?And if your athletic, your athletic...your its not like when you step into the western hemisphere you become less athletic.International players can have good rookie season...Pau Gasol, who hes often compared to, came in and average 17ppg, 8rpg and 2bpg....You honestly have probably seen him on youtube and you also stereotype him because it seems unless your from America, your a big softy...which is absolutly not true.</div>I know he's a softy because everyone scouting him agrees that he isn't strong, and he can't bang inside. And you completely missed my point there. I meant that players in North America are much more athletic than players in China, so even if he is considered athletic there, I don't think he would be above average in the NBA. Pau Gasol is unique in that aspect. Yi Jianlian is not European though, he's Chinese....I've seen Youtube clips, but since I havn't seen him actually play in games, I've just built my perspective from things I've read from scouts..
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! I personaly havent seen one scouting report saying Yi is "soft"...as far as not being big enough, it doesn't mean your soft. Most of the time, alotve big men arent big enough for the NBA...and they get bigger. Ive read Yi is very aggresive and athletic...thats why some people say hes the Chinese version of Amare...
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 21 2007, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All I said was that they look similar athletically. I didn't say they played the same position, that they were the same player, that they had similar styles, or the like. But thanks for putting in that worthless piece of input.</div> But they aren't the same athletically. Yi is much quicker, much more perimeter oriented, and his vertical is clearly better. He's an agile forward, Yao is a slow center. I agree with BCB when he says the only thing Yi/Yao have in common is their nationality.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! [quote name='BluffCityBlue' post='386846' date='Jun 21 2007, 08:13 PM']I personaly havent seen one scouting report saying Yi is "soft"...as far as not being big enough, it doesn't mean your soft. Most of the time, alotve big men arent big enough for the NBA...and they get bigger. Ive read Yi is very aggresive and athletic...thats why some people say hes the Chinese version of Amare...[/quote]Name me one scouting report that says he is not soft....http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/yijianlian.html http://collegehoopsnet.com/new/story/yi_ji...ft_profile40780 once again Well there ya go...And that's just what I could find right now. I didnt feel like sifting through articles on draftexpress....Like I said, find me an article that says he is strong, and not soft...Dude, Yi isn't anywhere near Amare's athleticism. Amare is the most athletic guy in the League. If you think he's as athletic as Amare, you're in for a big dissapointment.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Jun 21 2007, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It may be the alcohol talking.</div><span style="font-family:Franklin Gothic Medium">Combs, you are officially my favorite member. Haha, thats halarious, yet I agree that he is the real deal (but not #1 because greg oden is like.. the REAL deal) </span>
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 21 2007, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi Jianlian is a softy with a good mid range jumpshot, and good athletic ability. Still though, I don't know if his athleticism is much better than players in the NBA considering that players in China are far less athletic, so even if he was the most athletic player in China, that doesn't mean he's the next Amare Stoudemire...He can't play in the post, and he isn't used to North American basketball...He does have good upside, but he will NOT have a good year next season. Quote me on that. That was a really dumb ass post Raptorfan.</div> This is why I know your opinion is based on nearly nothing. You call Yi Jianlian soft, but Kevin Durant cant bench 180 once, you call him atheltic, yet he had the third worst vertical in the combine, fourth worst sprint time, and the last in drill time. Now your going to tell me that 'Oh stats mean nothing' if so, you calling me a dumbass was based on nothing. You also now nothing about basketball in China to make a comment about Yi, and neithier do I, yet you still talk about him like you know his game. You just call everyone coming out of Europe a softy.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! Thats why some call him the chinese version of Amare...of course hes not as athletic...In the first article, it basicly said the same thing scouts say about any other skinny big man...in the first article it said he isnt afraid of contact, but can be disrupted....thats not being soft..thats not being strong enough, which he will become. The 2nd article is basicly saying that he has the soft stereotype...which is labeled on all international players(short of South Americans), it just said he hasnt proven hes not soft. IMO, being soft is not being aggresive and shying away fron contact. YOUR article said "he doesn't shy away from physical contact"....hes not soft...atleast form what ive seen and read.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 21 2007, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Another dumb post by Raptorfan :no1:</div> To add, why do you call my posts dumb? In the offseason I said the Raptors would get at least a 5th seed, and you replied, "I think you should be banned for that comment IMO" They then ended up winning the 3rd seed, so clearly I had some basis to my opinion, though you still call me a dumbass. You also leave out calling Combs a dumbass but not me, once again, based on nothing.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 21 2007, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But they aren't the same athletically. Yi is much quicker, much more perimeter oriented, and his vertical is clearly better. He's an agile forward, Yao is a slow center. I agree with BCB when he says the only thing Yi/Yao have in common is their nationality.</div>I will admit fault in saying it is athleticism they have in common, but I still think that Yi is flat-footed and will tire quickly. Being perimeter-oriented has little or nothing to do with athleticism, but I suppose that's another argument for another day.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! On the subject of Yi, I came across some measurements. According to Chad Ford, Yi measured out to be 7'1'' in shoes, 248 lbs., and he has a 37'' vertical. I know that doesn't necessarily mean he's a great basketball player, but those numbers are impressive.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! Yeah, hes more athletic than people realize, you can see it in his youtube highlights...but that makes you wonder how much stuff did he get off of his athleticism.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Truth @ Jun 21 2007, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yi > yao</div>MVP Poster of BBW
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! Yeah, if I'm not mistakin the guy has put on a little weight already. People act like it's hard to add 10-15lbs. He's no smaller proportionate wise then a chris bosh or a Kevin Garnett. And to me, I'd compare him more to Kevin Garnett then I would Amare or Yao(10X more athletic then Yao).I was really set o Atlanta takin Conley #3 just so that I don't have to hear anything about Atlanta and the PG position ever again. But I don't hesitate at all to take Yi #3 now.And Cballa, yes..it's because they have Randolph and Aldridge that I would take Durant. I am not so sure Oden is a once in a decade bigman. How many times have we heard that? Seems like every other year. A lot of those guys turn into good players..but don't fully live up to those expectations.Randolph averaged 23 and 10 last season. We know what he can do. Will Oden ever average 23 and 10? Maybe...but maybe not. But why ship out the 23 and 10 guy to get a potential 23 and 10 guy? And Yeah.. I know anchoring a defense plays a strong role in it. But is that worth it?To me if you think you have a Tracy Mcgrady in Kevin Durant, why the heck would you pass on him to fill a position you're already happy with? It just doesn't make sense to me. They may get something decent for Randolph...but they won't get the kind of value at the PG/SG/SF position in a combo with Oden as a combo of Randolph and Durant.Oden is gonna go #1 just because of the position he plays..not because it's assured he's gonna be the better player. So if you already have that position filled..why not take the position you need?Being set with Roy/Durant/Randolph/Aldridge seems plenty reason enough to pass on Oden to me. To me picking Oden is the safe move...and the sissy move at that.
Re: Yi Jianlian #1 baby! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Jun 22 2007, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, if I'm not mistakin the guy has put on a little weight already. People act like it's hard to add 10-15lbs. He's no smaller proportionate wise then a chris bosh or a Kevin Garnett. And to me, I'd compare him more to Kevin Garnett then I would Amare or Yao(10X more athletic then Yao). I was really set o Atlanta takin Conley #3 just so that I don't have to hear anything about Atlanta and the PG position ever again. But I don't hesitate at all to take Yi #3 now. And Cballa, yes..it's because they have Randolph and Aldridge that I would take Durant. I am not so sure Oden is a once in a decade bigman. How many times have we heard that? Seems like every other year. A lot of those guys turn into good players..but don't fully live up to those expectations. Randolph averaged 23 and 10 last season. We know what he can do. Will Oden ever average 23 and 10? Maybe...but maybe not. But why ship out the 23 and 10 guy to get a potential 23 and 10 guy? And Yeah.. I know anchoring a defense plays a strong role in it. But is that worth it? To me if you think you have a Tracy Mcgrady in Kevin Durant, why the heck would you pass on him to fill a position you're already happy with? It just doesn't make sense to me. They may get something decent for Randolph...but they won't get the kind of value at the PG/SG/SF position in a combo with Oden as a combo of Randolph and Durant. Oden is gonna go #1 just because of the position he plays..not because it's assured he's gonna be the better player. So if you already have that position filled..why not take the position you need? Being set with Roy/Durant/Randolph/Aldridge seems plenty reason enough to pass on Oden to me. To me picking Oden is the safe move...and the sissy move at that.</div> When you say "better player," what do you mean by that? Will Durant put up some bigger numbers, get more national attention/endorsements, etc? Yes, but that doesn't mean he's a better player... for the same reason Tracy McGrady is no Tim Duncan. You don't pass on legitimate franchise centers for a wing... just because you have a guy like Zach Randolph who fucks strippers, smokes weed, totes guns, and shows up late for practice. He's not in Portland's long-term plans, their future frontcourt duo is Oden/Aldridge. Aldridge is much better suited for the 4 anyway, and he has even said he'd rather play the 4. I don't understand why you'd take a franchise SF over a franchise center that dominates on the defensive end.
