You are 8 times more likely to get killed by a cop than a terrorist

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Why is it that every other country in the world can pick themselves up after an attack and go on with life, but we fall apart? Why is it that we can't take a punch?

    Are we, well, pussies?

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    No, america is just self-righteous.
     
  3. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Yes, we are. We can't take a simple recession without trying to stop some of the necessary pain. It's like avoiding chemo to die a painful death two months later instead.
     
  4. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So you don't think there is any possibility of this evolving into something more serious than a recession if we do nothing?

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  5. AgentDrazenPetrovic

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    I think some systems NEED to fail in order to succeed rather than just put a band-aid on.
     
  6. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    There's a possibility, but there's a greater possibility of it evolving into something more serious if we don't let markets act the way they're supposed to.
     
  7. barfo

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    What percentages would you assign to those possibilities?

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  8. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    5%/95%. What is being done by the Congress is not a stimulus program; it's a payoff to the base that elected them.
     
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    But I think we established in an earlier conversation that you don't really have a problem if it causes economic Armageddon. Apologies if that wasn't you, it was several months ago, and I might be remembering wrong. Those of us who are more invested in the current system (houses, kids, careers, etc) are going to be a lot less tolerant of systemic failure than you (or whoever it was that said that). Doesn't mean you should take pity on us, of course!

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    You really think it's complete corruption and none of them honestly think it will help?

    Are you saying that there is a 95% likelihood that the current stimulus package will make things worse (in the short term)? What's the reason for that? Even if it doesn't help, I don't see it hurting in the short term. Long term, of course, we have to pay for it whether it helps or not.

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    probably me.

    liquid, low expenses, live cheaply but spend my money on frivolous good times. so not too invested in the system.
     
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  12. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I believe that people that take the time and the effort to get elected to the Federal Government believe in the power of government. It's the old saw about if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail. I think these people made promises to their base to bring them out and if they're going to spend money, it's better to spend it on your allies--especially if it grows your allies, i.e., labor unions--than your enemies.

    As for short term vs. long term, I'd like to ask a question: do you have kids? Of course borrowing for today at the expense of tomorrow is going to help in the short term. In the medium term, we could be hurt by delaying what needs to occur on its own. In the long term, we know it would REALLY hurt. And I'm unwilling to make my life a bit more comfortable at the expense of my son.
     
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    Obviously, you've never lost someone close to you.

    Mistrust of the government, fear, and our current looming financial depression, were all caused by the total lack of any effort by Bush/Cheney to bring the 911 terrorists to justice.

    Instead they mounted a war for profit against a country with no connection to the terrorists, an actual sworn enemy of Al Quaida in fact, therefore becoming accomplices after the fact (if not before), and bankrupting our nation while destroying any semblance of it's former freedom.

    "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
    - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
     
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    I was speaking in terms on effect on the nation as a whole. One car accident or even 3000 has a much lower effect on the morale of the country versus a terrorist attack that destroys the twin towers.

    Big, sensational deaths (terroist attacks, plane crashes, deaths in Hurriane Katrina, West Virginia shooting, Colombine) are often more sensationalized and people feel more compelled by them versus something that's not in front of their face.
     
  15. barfo

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    Sure, there's no question that the spending is going to be targeted towards the things that the group in power thinks are worth spending on, aka allies. But it wouldn't be any more of a stimulus package if it were targeted at churches and guns instead. As far as stimulus goes, it doesn't seem to me it matters all that much what it gets spent on, as long as the money doesn't go into hiding immediately.

    None that I know of, but that's not a reason that I support the stimulus package. Because I don't support the stimulus package. I'm not against it either, I'm still trying to figure out whether it's a good idea or not.

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    Actually, didn't the markets crash due to 9/11. I remember seeing some BBC thing on this on how they were related....let me find
     
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    What are the odds a cop is going to fly an airplane into the WTC or pentagon?

    Case closed.
     
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  20. Karl Malone's Elbows

    Karl Malone's Elbows Batum: once in a lifetime

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    More than a middle eastern terrorist.
     

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